I don't think the next big language can target just the JVM, but that the JVM will be an important target for it.
On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 9:04 AM, phil swenson <[email protected]> wrote: > I think that for another language to seriously challenge Java on the > JVM it would need the following: > > - killer application (equivalent to Ruby on Rails for example) > - good IDE support > - have a much improved syntax/feature set, but not overly complex > - be somewhat similar to Java - (not a crazy different syntax like Closure) > - major backer > - statically typed > - similar performance to Java > - easy integration with existing java libraries. > > Groovy is the closest to this.... VMWare now owns groovy development > (major backer). Gradle and Grails are the "killer applications". IDE > support is quite good. It is fairly similar to Java and has excellent > Java integration. > > But critically, it lacks static typing and performance. > > Sadly, no other alternative comes close IMO. So we seem to be stuck > with java the language for the foreseeable future. > > > > On Thu, Jun 2, 2011 at 4:14 AM, Kirk <[email protected]> wrote: >> Well, I remember a few years ago when this guy named Bruce Tate wrote this >> interesting little book called "Beyond Java". It sparked a debate in TSS >> that was (and most likely is) the single most responded to post. The short >> message was; Java got us to a place that we couldn't have gotten to any >> other way and now that we're here, how do we go even farther. It is a >> question that we never will and never should stop asking. So far the answer >> has been, well, lets look at what the other guys are doing and if it makes >> sense drag it back into Java. Eventually, that tactic will fall over on it's >> self and then we'll really have to answer the question, what is beyond Java. >> Regards, >> Kirk >> On Jun 2, 2011, at 11:12 AM, Moandji Ezana wrote: >> >> 2011/6/2 Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> >>> >>> I am the first one surprised by this fact, to be honest, I just can't >>> believe how resilient Java is despite its old age. >> >> Are you surprised because you'd expected it to be replaced by something >> better or by something newer? Of the other top 20 languages in the Tiobe >> Index (FWIW), only C# is significantly newer than Java. So old age doesn't >> seem to negatively impact popularity. Even how much language quality >> influences popularity is a massive (and oft-repeated) debate. >> So how is Java's resilience surprising? >> Moandji >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "The Java Posse" group. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> To unsubscribe from this group, send email to >> [email protected]. >> For more options, visit this group at >> http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "The Java Posse" group. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > To unsubscribe from this group, send email to > [email protected]. > For more options, visit this group at > http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en. > > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "The Java Posse" group. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
