On Tue, 06 Dec 2011 20:04:40 +0100, Jim McDonnell
<[email protected]> wrote:
Wow, I'm really surprised that my question has devolved down to
talking about WORA and UI's. Do people really do a lot of UI work in
Java? I have only done Java UIs for my own experiments. Maybe it's
because I live in Atlanta, and not in Silicon Valley, but I have
always considered UI with Java as inconsequential.
I was expecting someone to talk about language shortcomings. Maybe
poor structure/quality of the core libraries.
For example, I listen to Dick W. talk about Scala and how it gives
such great performance improvements. Since Scala and Java both run in
the JVM, that tells me the JVM itself has the potential for the speed,
it's just something about the Java Language Implementation. And maybe
the "lies" referred to in the episode are talking about holes/poor
decisions made when crafting the language.
But if all anyone can complain about is UI, then for me you are just
complaining to complain. My point of view is that if you are creating
a serious UI, then you are not using Java anyway.
(If you are creating serious UI with Java, please let me/us know. I
am willing to accept that I am wrong in my POV. Sort of why I started
this discussion.)
I'm sorry to repeat on and on the same things, but it seems that many
don't get it. If you're talking about end users, you are mostly (but not
totally) right. If you're talking in general, there's a plentiful of rich,
complex and mission critical applications around. The only fact that you
and others can't see them, because they are privately used, doesn't mean
they don't exist. Start looking at platform.netbeans.org's showcase and
the same stuff from Eclipse RCP.
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