I can't resist: Hibernate == Cake Mix - http://topsy.com/vimeo.com/28885655

Cheers,
Martijn

On 21 December 2011 14:57, Graham Allan <[email protected]> wrote:
>
>
> On 21 December 2011 14:13, Carl Jokl <[email protected]> wrote:
>>
>> Was that the project that was mentioned in a lighting talk at the London
>> JUG by any chance or a different one?
>
>
> I presented it in a lightning talk at the LJC Open Conference, if that's the
> same JUG meetup, then that was me :)
>
>>
>> I could see a benefit for immutable object for those that live in a
>> Servlet container session cache especially if the web container could
>> be clustered and everything in the Session needs to be replicated across
>> servers. The mutable versions would play nicely with an ORM.
>>
>> At this point I am not using any ORM and there are no domain objects at
>> all in the system apart from some demonstration ones I created. I have been
>> demoing with plain JDBC population (which is tedious) but it avoid having to
>> add a dependency on the persistence API at this stage (though the mutable
>> objects are ripe for modification in the future to add ORM annotations to
>> them.
>>
>> At this point the work I have done may not go anywhere as the use of
>> domain objects has not been well received so far.
>
>
> To be honest, if I had a greenfield opportunity, I don't know if I would
> pick an ORM. In my (admittedly limited) experience, ORM has caused as much
> pain as it has saved us from, but I wasn't around to experience the codebase
> without it, so it may be a 'greener grass' kind of thing. Also, if you're
> exclusively going to be mapping to objects, relational database may be the
> wrong choice, and it may be worth considering a nosql option. But, since
> you're having trouble convincing your team just to model the domain
> properly, nosql isn't likely to go down well.
>
> HTH,
> Graham
>
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