hello, can any one provide me with tools for Android development ,that is links for downloading both and' SDK and a compatible version of eclipse , actually i've tried android via netbeans but with eclipse it did not come.
thanks in advance. On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 1:37 PM, Jon Kiparsky <[email protected]>wrote: > *>*Sorry, you don't want to see the point. The cited facts proved that > Page and Google engineering thought that Java is an excellent > >technology. Since they are top level professionals, this is a > technological argument. Otherwise, you must imply that they are not > >so competent. I don't see any third option here. > > > Here's a third option: this is a legal argument, and the cited facts are > the ones which support google's winning the case, regardless of the > technological facts. > I'm sure I don't have the expertise to judge on the technical details, but > I do think this is at least plausible as a third option. Under this > scenario, it'd be impossible to accept any of Google's trial arguments as > having any implications about Google's beliefs regarding the technology: > the only purpose of those statements is to win a trial. > > > On Thu, Apr 19, 2012 at 7:05 AM, Fabrizio Giudici < > [email protected]> wrote: > >> On Thu, 19 Apr 2012 12:42:48 +0200, Casper Bang <[email protected]> >> wrote: >> >> First of all, as brilliant as Page might be, we should >>> not necessarily assume he is a VM engineer. Secondly, I think we must >>> >> >> Hey, men, we're talking about a strategic decision for a company. I could >> cite a number of CEO of italians corporates that don't have a clue on >> strategy, and in fact effects are clear. I don't believe Google it's like >> that, since they're going well. But, above all, we're not discussing only >> about Page's mind: it was a discussion with some engineers (Page has been >> involved in the news because it's negating it was aware of the discussion, >> and an email proves it isn't true - but I don't care at all about this >> aspect of the matter). >> >> >> So it's possible that Google technically could've used a hybrid of >>> Hotspot, >>> but that's not the same as saying Dalvik is a workaround of a licensing >>> issue or that it doesn't have other merits (I.e. trace-based JIT's and >>> registred based VM's are assumed more efficient than method based JIT's >>> and >>> stack based VM's). >>> >> >> I respect your opinion. But it isn't the opinion of Page since he says >> "we'd saved a lot of time and money should have we adopted Sun's >> technology". >> >> >> However, the King of Android (Rubin), advised Page way back in 2005 (page >>> 22) that C# might be an alternative (which, unlike Java, is open spec >>> rather than open source). We can only assume that Lindholm talked Rubin >>> out >>> >> >> What's the point of open specs in this point without an open >> implementation? You don't save a lot of time and money just out of open >> specs if you have to reimplement everything. And there should be Mono, in >> theory. As they bought a company that was developing the ancestor of >> Dalvik, they could have done the same for C#. >> >> >> of this idea. Perhaps Google feared the prospect of upsetting Microsoft >>> greater than over upsetting Sun, although I think the more likely cause >>> is >>> Google wanting to bootstrap off the existing Java community, which they >>> have traditionally been aligned with, contributed to and hired people >>> from. >>> >> >> Well, so we're saying that Java is hugely popular, at the point that it's >> the best bootstrapping option. Fair enough for me :-) >> >> >> I'm confused, when you now say "Java", do you then refer to the 3 >>> official >>> Sun runtimes (JME/JSE/JEE) or just the language as a medium of >>> expression? >>> >> >> The core technologies. Certainly I'm not talking of running Android on >> JME. With a business collaboration, they could have defined Android as a >> fourth edition of Java. Note that I'm not blaming exclusively Google for >> not making the deal. We don't know details, and it's certainly possible >> that Sun missed a big opportunity: Android was clearly the JME killer, JME >> was one of the most profitable parts of JAva for Sun and they weren't smart >> enough to understand that JME was going to die because of its own >> bureaucracy and the flawed relationship with phone manufacturer. >> >> >> You imply that Google think Java is bad, yet Google based Android on Java >>> so I am not really sure what you are trying to say here. I guess maybe >>> you >>> mean to say that a subset of the JSE could've been used instead. Perhaps >>> you are right, I don't think we will ever find out, since Sun/Oracle have >>> shown little interest in creating a modern mobile platform. >>> >> >> No, no, I'm implying that Google thinks that Java, licensing apart, is >> excellent both on the VM concept and the language aspect, which counters >> all the usual Java bashing arguments around. >> >> >> Admittedly, I'm having a hard time seeing actual technological arguments >>> here. >>> >> >> Sorry, you don't want to see the point. The cited facts proved that Page >> and Google engineering thought that Java is an excellent technology. Since >> they are top level professionals, this is a technological argument. >> Otherwise, you must imply that they are not so competent. I don't see any >> third option here. >> >> >> >> -- >> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. 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