On Monday, June 18, 2012 7:42:49 PM UTC+2, clay wrote: > > Casper bashes everything Java related: the language, the JVM, Swing, > Maven, the IDEs and raves about everything Microsoft related: NET, C#, > Mono, Anders is his hero, etc. All this on a Java group. And then complains > about bias and FUD because not everyone shares his perspective. >
I work with the JVM, Swing, Maven etc. every day, so I think I am entitled to complain about these (let me do that now in fact, why on earth is a maven release split into two discrete steps?! And don't even get me started on the PermGen). However, I also work with Mono, and simply felt compelled to call out those heavily biased statements from #386 which boils down to "Mono was a bad idea", "Moonlight was a bad idea" and "Mono serves no purpose". The Mono team openly bashes Java, for example, and they are not fair or > making the slightest attempt at being balanced or reasonable or respectful. > I think this group is far more tactful and respectful about their opinions > and innate bias. Maybe because this group doesn't have a product to sell. > I know what you are referring too [recent micro-benchmarks highlighting new Mono JIT features over JVM and Dalvik], and I think it's fine to do this as long as it's at the technical level with source code and explanations of conditions - which btw. you are free to challenge, have you? It's quite another thing however, to start inferring and inflating facts, driven by some obvious innate hatred. Each camp (JVM/.NET) should emulate and learn from the strengths of the > other. > Exactly; however the problem in much of the hardcore JVM community, for a long time, has been a sense of self-richness and unwillingness to consider anything from the other camp. I've been pointing this out for as long as I've been listening (since JavaPosse 20 or so) while calling for a more nuanced blend. For example, there's a stark contrast from listening to .NET Rocks and JavaPosse, when you look at the people they have interviewed and how they approach the opposite camp. It's not isolated to this podcast though, you'll find the same childish FUD in JavaZone videos, which are fun, but also pointer of a more general problem where mockery takes precedence over machinery. They both have their strength and weaknesses, but if all you can say is "I don't get why X exists, we have Y" then you just sound dumb and you're probably better off not saying anything at all then. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msg/javaposse/-/ukYkVvWYHccJ. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. To unsubscribe from this group, send email to [email protected]. For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse?hl=en.
