Former congressman Mickey Edwards has said this very well. It is a problem with the parties but us lazy voters need to do something about it.
VIDEO: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YVwq_uNAYHA BOOK: http://www.amazon.com/The-Parties-Versus-People-Republicans/dp/0300184565 TRANSCRIPT: http://www.ncoc.net/The-Parties-Versus-the-People On Sun, Aug 26, 2012 at 4:27 PM, bgoggin <[email protected]> wrote: > I think the reverse it true. At least in America, people have a visceral > distaste for parties and really want to believe they are the source of all > political evil, but I believe that the erosion of parties since the 70's > has led to the rise of extremist candidates. Party bosses used to select > more moderate candidates that could appeal across party lines in the > general elections. As candidate selection has become more democratic, > extremists have begun to win. I think this also goes too far with the pox > on both their houses. I think one party in particular has taken the lead in > reducing issues to misleading slogans, leading to great electoral success. > That's not a problem of the parties, it's lazy voters. > > Sorry to veer so far from Java, but I thought a counterpoint was needed. > > > On Saturday, August 25, 2012 8:52:30 AM UTC-4, JessHolle wrote: > >> We elected the idiots, yes. >> >> Of course, position statements on patent law haven't exactly been >> front-and-center in campaigns. >> >> In general, US elections have more to do with >> >> 1. Appealing to enough special interests to get loads of money to >> inundate the masses with campaign ads >> 2. Forming an *image *(not substance) that connects with their base >> and a few independents >> 3. Repeating terse, almost meaningless 60-second blurbs ad nauseum >> >> Deeper discussion is too time consuming. It's also too dangerous to the >> candidate as they might actually talk about the real complexity of issues >> rather than simple, pat answers. No pure party line fully holds water when >> one takes a deep look at any issue. Instead, real solutions tend to be >> complicated, nuanced, and involve some mix of ideas from a variety of >> sources -- something no US political party will really tolerate today. >> >> I think Mickey Edwards (author of 'The Parties Versus the People') might >> be on to something (http://www.pbs.org/newshour/**bb/politics/july-dec12/ >> **edwards_08-21.html<http://www.pbs.org/newshour/bb/politics/july-dec12/edwards_08-21.html>) >> urging: >> >> - No closed, single-party primaries but rather a primary taking all >> candidates from all parties with the main election being a runoff between >> the winners >> - Today's closed primaries produce extremist candidates from all >> parties >> - Huge reductions of party power and party separation in Congress >> - Right now if you don't tow the party line you get no power in >> Congress, party-purity reigns supreme >> >> -- >> Jess Holle >> >> On 8/25/2012 6:09 AM, Jan Goyvaerts wrote: >> >> Since when are laws concerning IP making much sense ? Since when is the >> law a synonym for justice ? That must be a long time ago now... >> >> Absurd yes - but it's Legal Absurdity. And therefore, if they don't >> comply to The Law, they're criminals. And will be punished. But if they >> comply, they'll pay $1bn. And will be punished too. Nice, this Legal >> Injustice. >> >> But to be honest, didn't *we* elect those idiots voting those absurd >> laws ? So maybe the law is such a mess because we'd rather not use our >> brains at the election. >> >> On Sat, Aug 25, 2012 at 11:30 AM, Ricky Clarkson <[email protected]>wrote: >> >>> Oracle case: Can you write a library that provides compatibility with >>> someone else's library? >>> >>> Samsung case: Can you copy your competitor's handling of >>> finger-to-screen events? >>> >>> The Oracle case was clearly more relevant to programmers. >>> On Aug 25, 2012 4:07 AM, "Fabrizio Giudici" <[email protected]**> >>> wrote: >>> >>>> I completely fail to understand why we (and the rest of the >>>> blogosphere) have spent hundreds of emails discussing the Oracle vs Google >>>> suite, as something that could menace Android and thus the freedom to >>>> innovate, while almost nothing has been said about the Apple vs Samsung, >>>> which is just a proxy for Apple vs Google. BTW, Oracle has lost (at least >>>> the first round) challenging on technical stuff, I mean something related >>>> to the *implementation* of a VM, Apple has won on "pinch to zoom", which is >>>> 100x absurd. My only explanation is a prejudice against Oracle (added to a >>>> previous prejudice against Sun), which seems much stronger than the >>>> prejudice against Apple. >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Fabrizio Giudici - Java Architect, Project Manager >>>> Tidalwave s.a.s. - "We make Java work. 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