On Tue, Feb 25, 2014 at 12:22 PM, Russel Winder <[email protected]>wrote:
> On Tue, 2014-02-25 at 10:39 -0700, phil swenson wrote: > > cayla has no checkins for month, not exactly promising for new web > > framework > > On the other hand it hasn't had checkins for a month which might mean > there is no churn. > > > i looked at kara a month ago or so, looks super early. > > Indeed. As does Cayla :-) > > > my point was really about having a reasonable mature web framework to > work > > with.... plugin architecture ecosystem, testing, build, deployment, etc. > > JSF is mature, plugin architecture ecosystem, testing, build, > deployment, etc. but would you use it? > OK, I'll add in "NON-SUCKY" to the conversation. We were on a side topic about alternative languages anyway, so I don't see your point. > > Play seems way beyond these particular frameworks. I can deploy play > to > > heroku, load of plugins for Play for auth/SaSS/etc. > > But it is based on a language that is over 10 years old ;-) > > I can deploy Django, Tornado, Flask, Vert.x, Grails, Ratpack, etc. to > Heroku: Heroku is fairly platform agnostic and is therefore not a factor > of choice. > It does look like Heroku has improved their java story in general. But they do have easier paths for some frameworks vs others. Play is well understood and supported on Heroku. > > > I should clarify, this is just my impression - I haven't done anything > > serious with Play. > > Decision making requires comparative work. Without projects implemented > in all the frameworks, choice is based on what can only be called > prejudice. At times this can be fine: if a team knows JSF, Play, Grails, > and choose to just use it, fine. But if the question is "which is best", > or "what the comparison between" then data is required, prejudice is no > longer a valid tool. > when you have dozens of choices you can't evaluate all of them. You go through a process of elimination. And right now I don't think many would even consider Cayla/Kara at all. Play does make the radar for many more as it's much more widely adopted/active/supported/documented/mature and apparently well liked. All I said was play/akka provide an advantage for Scala over ceylon/kotlin/other JVM langs. Do you dispute that? > > -- > Russel. > > ============================================================================= > Dr Russel Winder t: +44 20 7585 2200 voip: > sip:[email protected] > 41 Buckmaster Road m: +44 7770 465 077 xmpp: [email protected] > London SW11 1EN, UK w: www.russel.org.uk skype: russel_winder > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out. > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/groups/opt_out.
