Nope! C or Idris, I'll also accept Assembler.
and Scala's the least bad you can get if otherwise tied to the JVM. :) On 6 June 2014 18:00, Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> wrote: > So you're arguing for the Java approach then? > > > > -- > Cédric > > > > On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 9:49 AM, Kevin Wright <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> In the interests of playing Devil's advocate here, there's a very >> convincing argument to be made here for "the middle" not being the best at >> all: >> >> Courtesy of Erik Meijer: >> >> http://queue.acm.org/detail.cfm?id=2611829 >> >> >> >> On 6 June 2014 17:19, Cédric Beust ♔ <[email protected]> wrote: >> >>> I find all these "inspired by" conjectures a bit vapid, but just to play >>> along, I would argue that Swift belongs in the generation of languages >>> sparked by C and C++, with which it has much more in common than with >>> Haskell and ML languages. >>> >>> To me, Swift seems to validate the "pendulum in the middle" approach >>> that we started seeing with Ceylon and Kotlin. Java looks fairly primitive >>> today (pendulum left), Scala is reasonably advanced and pioneered a lot of >>> interesting features in that family of languages (pendulum right) and >>> Ceylon/Kotlin/Swift advocate a middle ground approach that takes the best >>> of both extremes (pendulum in the middle). >>> >>> -- >>> Cédric >>> >>> >>> -- >>> Cédric >>> >>> >>> >>> On Fri, Jun 6, 2014 at 3:46 AM, shellac <[email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> On 05/06/14 18:21, Cédric Beust ♔ wrote: >>>> >>>> Funny how everyone wants to claim that Swift was inspired by their >>>> ${favorite_language} when the definitive answer is available directly >>>> from the presentation: >>>> >>>> Inline image 1 >>>> >>>> C, C++, Objective C, Java, Ruby, Python, Javascript, Perl, Groovy and LUA. >>>> >>>> I raise your definitive answer with: >>>> >>>> "...drawing ideas from Objective-C, Rust, Haskell, Ruby, Python, C#, >>>> CLU, and far too many others to list." [1] >>>> >>>> (More seriously it's very clearly part of a generation of OO languages >>>> that have picked up tricks from ML and Haskell -- start java-ish, favour >>>> optional / maybe over null, enum / either, switch / match pattern >>>> matching with destructuring). >>>> >>>> Damian >>>> >>>> [1] <http://nondot.org/sabre/> <http://nondot.org/sabre/> >>>> >>>> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Java Posse" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. >> Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Java Posse" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. > Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kevin Wright mail: [email protected] gtalk / msn : [email protected] quora: http://www.quora.com/Kevin-Wright google+: http://gplus.to/thecoda <[email protected]> twitter: @thecoda vibe / skype: kev.lee.wright steam: kev_lee_wright "My point today is that, if we wish to count lines of code, we should not regard them as "lines produced" but as "lines spent": the current conventional wisdom is so foolish as to book that count on the wrong side of the ledger" ~ Dijkstra -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Java Posse" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. To post to this group, send email to [email protected]. Visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/javaposse. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
