This absolutely does not belong on my list and further such bashing will not 
be tolerated at all.  The product is what it is and we have all decided to 
use it in our daily living.  The guide lines clearly state that there will 
be no bashing of Freedom Scientific on here at all.  If this door is left 
open even once then the list will turn in to nothing more than a place for 
people to moan and complain.  Honestly I won't manage such a list at all and 
neither will the other moderators.  If anybody wants to create their own 
list dedicated to bashing Freedom Scientific then feel free to do so, but it 
will not happen on here I can promise you.

This list is going to be a positive place for people to learn and share 
ideas, and that's the way it's going to be.  If anybody doesn't like the 
rules I've written then get off of here because you're not welcome.
David Ferrin
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To: <[email protected]>
Sent: Monday, February 19, 2007 11:11 AM
Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and VISTA


Gripe for the day:

You know, I am pretty sick and tired of companies such as Freedom 
Scientific, who don't keep up with the times or don't be ready when changes 
come to technology.  I recently downloaded Power DVD and some other software 
under XP and they all are sending me plug-ins or fixes for Vista without 
cost.  I hwead a podcast from FS and they were saying they will be Vista 
compatible soon, but it will cost us JAWS users to get the vista ready 
version of jaws.  I have JAWS Pro and it is more costly than the normal jaws 
version.  I am not sure how it works, but I think JAWS and Windoweyes and 
any other screen reader programs should be upgraded by the sellers 
regardless of the version at no cost to the users or purchasers of the 
product--as we didn't change the OS, microsoft did, and that is who should 
foot the bill for the change.

I have heard the complaining by Freedom Scientific and other accessability 
vendors that it cost so much to make or create these products and they must 
recover their cost and I don't buy their arguments--as every vender must do 
the same and they don't pass the cost on to its users.  Why should 
accessibility venders be any different.  They decide to go into the market 
and should be willing to pay the cost of keeping up.

Also, with JAWS, I can't stand the thing about SMA (or that thing about 
paying in advance for upgrades).  My thinking is that I should pay for the 
version I want--that is, if I have version 51, but don't want to upgrade 
until version 8, I should be able to do that and only pay a one-time upgrade 
fee, say $100 or $200 for the upgrade and nothing else.  No one else I know 
does such a thing as they do.  I use to own Roxio Easy Media Creator 9 came 
out recently, I didn't have to pay for theones in between.  The same thing 
with Power DVD.  I have heard the reasons for the practice, but it does not 
seem right.

I know I won't change the practice, but it needs to be stopped.

Finally,  with the vista version, I heard FS people say that, in order to 
get it, current JAWS 7 or lower users will have to buy version 8 and a 
two-year service maintenance agree (or upgrade fee) to get it, but they 
won't zap us with an upgrade charge--real big of them.  For example, I have 
version 71, but in order to get 8, I'd have to pay almost $600 for 
everyting.  I could just save my money and buy a full new copy of the 
program.

Thanks very much for listening tome and I hope I haven't violated the list 
rules by complaining.

James Robinson



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