Hi, Scorpio. Don't you think this is a little unfair? Website designers 
generally make websites visually intuitive. We'd like to be in a position to 
expect the same thing. It sounds as though Karen tried all sorts of methods to 
make these buttons work. I might have added the spacebar to her list, but 
others have posted other suggestions that might work. Technology ought to serve 
us, not the other way around. I say this respectfully.

-----Original Message-----
From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:[email protected]] On Behalf 
Of Scorpio
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 6:16 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites

Or maybe people just don't want to learn new things because it's easier to 
stick with the older stuff, no matter how unsafe it is.

Guys, this is the new standard, there must be instructions on how to handle 
those particular elements on a webpage, you just have to find them.

Try Freedom Scientific's homepage to see if they have tutorials and learn them, 
especially since more and more sites are trending to that format.

Scorpio

-----Original Message-----
From: [email protected]
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 3:15 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites

Take lots of Tylenol, and hope someone gets the idea that this kind of nonsense 
is just that for us blind folk ... NONSENSE. And don't you mean ad nauseum?

-----Original Message-----
From: Karen Schrade
Sent: Thursday, February 23, 2017 1:49 PM
To: [email protected]
Subject: [JAWS-Users] using "new, upgraded" websites

I am going crazy with the new formats for websites. I'm using IE 11, win 7, and 
jaws 17 latest. If I go to the family history website

Familysearch.org

I get "button menu collapsed, button menu collapsed, button menu collapsed"
ad infinitim.

I've tried enter, alt enter, control enter, left and right mouse buttons and 
just arrows and cannot change anything from collapsed. I do get a context menu 
with the right mouse button but, it's not helpful. Any suggestions?
Thanks, Karen



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