That's a very interesting post, Joseph. Thanks for this. I like how you call it the windows 10 "ecosystem". It seems appropriate. It's a little unsettling perhaps that, due to the nature of the beast, stability is not really something we should even expect. I guess this is the sort of thing we are just supposed to expect now, with Windows being a contuininng work in progress always and forever more. It doesn't seem wrong that we should, at the very least, expect things to simply work efficiently and smoothly. I understand what you mean about the foundation of support here, but most users wouldn't really have the time or inclination (I think) to spend effort trying to use something that doesn't seem to work as efficiently as other products. I guess as you say the onus is on MS and VFO....
-----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Joseph Lee Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 3:47 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 question Hi, Ever since Windows 10 Version 1507 (build 10240) hit the air in July 2015 (or shortly before), I did tell people why supporting Edge early is crucial: some universal apps will use Edge rendering engine to display web content, including (as some found out the hard way) Windows Store. Sometimes it is best to wait for things to settle, but there are times when at least some kind of a foundation should be laid to provide support for a technology later. I and others had a heated debate on a Windows 10 forum in July this year regarding this matter, with the question of who is to blame the most taking the center stage. In the end, both MS and VFO are to blame: Microsoft, for not communicating clearly as to how screen readers could achieve what they want, and VFO, for insisting for stability. I've been preaching this for the last two to three years and will continue to say the following as long as Windows 10 ecosystem lives: in Windows 10 ecosystem, praying for stability will get us NOWHERE. In regards to Edge and JAWS, there is a showstopper bug I'm following: as of latest preview build for Fall Creators Update, no screen reader (including Narrator itself) will announce notifications, partly caused by under the hood API changes that might be responsible for suppressing a UIA event from firing. If JAWS is supposed to rely on this, then this will create a situation where Edge support is there but important bits won't work right away. Cheers, joseph -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of rosecomb...@cox.net Sent: Wednesday, August 16, 2017 10:54 AM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 question You don't know my cousin, she tends to use Edge and then wonder why I can't get the same results, but insists I remove Jaws before she will touch the computer, then has no clue how to save anything and I have actually set the default browser to IE. Won't listen to me, and if I say it does not work and she can make it work without JAWS it has to work according to her. I miss my late husband who could understand screen readers and their limitations! Dislike Windows 10 but am stuck with it. Everything seems to become harder to accomplish with each version of Windows! -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of JM Casey Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 1:11 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 question Yeah, pretty much this. If the sighted world isn't really convinced (and I don't know anyone who uses it, either), is it surprising Edge isn't really an accessibility priority? -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of David Ferrin Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 3:44 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows 10 question For what it is worth nobody I know many of them sited are using Edge at all. My point is in over 2 years of it being available no evidence of it being useful at all has crossed my desk and I doubt many of you out there can say anything to the contrary so far. -----Original Message----- From: JM Casey Sent: Tuesday, August 15, 2017 2:38 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows10 question I won't mind giving Edge a spin just for the hell of it, but I suspect it won't be as good as Firefox or even Chrome for quite some time, as far as convenience ad ease of use with JAWS goes. For the moment at least, you're definitely better off using those browsers. As Ed said, Edge support is still in the preparation stage. Apparently you can use it with NVDA, but how well it works, I have no idea. -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of Mr. Ed Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 7:09 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] Windows10 question Hi, Edge does not work with Jaws at this time. In about another month Jaws is suppose to work with Edge. Mr. Ed -----Original Message----- From: JAWS-Users-List [mailto:jaws-users-list-boun...@jaws-users.com] On Behalf Of alex stone Sent: Monday, August 14, 2017 5:58 PM To: jaws-users-list@jaws-users.com Subject: [JAWS-Users] Windows10 question As a new windows10 user, how I find out how to use Microsoft Edge with jaws? 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