Oh right how weird lol! Why not join my Blind Hobbyist group? To subscribe, send a blank message to [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Chris ----- Original Message ----- From: "Flor Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: <[email protected]> Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 2:26 PM Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune
> Chris, > There is another firm called T&T Consultancy with a Web site, based in the > UK (I believe), that have nothing to do with assistive tech. There you > go. > > ----- Original Message ----- > From: "Chris Hallsworth" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 1:49 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune > > > Hi, thanks for the correct URL. As they're based in the UK, you'd think > they > have a .co.uk address, but not so with T&T Consultancy, so thanks for > that, > greatly appreciated. > Why not join my Blind Hobbyist group? To subscribe, send a blank message > to > [EMAIL PROTECTED] Thanks, Chris > ----- Original Message ----- >>From: "Flor Lynch" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > To: <[email protected]> > Sent: Sunday, May 04, 2008 12:13 PM > Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune > > >> So far as ITunes and JAWS are concerned, visit www.tandt-consultancy.com/ >> and check out what they have to say about their latest ITunes JAWS >> scripts, >> which >> make ITunes *accessible* with JAWS. Then ITunes users may want to buy >> the >> scripts, perhaps. >> >> So far as Apple is concerned, Leopard is their effort in accessibility - >> a >> different operating system than windows (which JAWS doesn't work with). >> >> >> ----- Original Message ----- >> From: "David Griffith" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> To: <[email protected]> >> Sent: Saturday, May 03, 2008 4:20 PM >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune >> >> >> Software is a product. >> >> -----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tim >> Sent: Saturday, 03 May 2008 15:48 >> To: [email protected] >> Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune >> >> Software and products are two different things. >> As far as software goes. it only has to be accessible if it has any >> dealings >> with the government. As in all software used or given out by the >> government >> has to be accessible. >> if they have no dealings with the government as in most. only the >> programs >> aware of accessibility will you find them accessible. it don't take much >> to >> make them accessible, but its not a standard practise for programmers to >> use >> assessable tools. >> if you want a good description of this accessibility just look at our >> screen >> readers. if the software was all accessible. there wouldn't be a need for >> scripts. And you can't say your country does it any better, because most >> of >> the software is from the USA, and you say below that companies there >> don't. >> so it looks like your laws don't do any more then ours do for >> accessibility >> expect pass the buck. They say the software has to be accessible and when >> its not they leave the fight up to the user? >> At 07:51 PM 5/2/2008, you wrote: >>>I am surprised you believe that there are no laws regarding software >>>accessibility. I am not sure what jurisdiction you are living in but >>>this is definitely not true for the UK and I was given to understand >>>when I attended a legal conference a few months back that there were >>>even stricter law in the USA. >>> >>>Just for info I refer you to the UK Disability Discrimination Act 1995 >>>Part >>>3 Goods and Services. In this section providers are expected to make >>>"reasonable adjustment" to ensure access. This includes software. Under >>>2006 Disability Discrimination Act public authorities are under a >>>positive duty to ensure accessible goods and services even where this >>>means a disabled person ends up being treated more favourably. Again >>>software comes within this remit. >>> >>> >>>The reality unfortunately is that the application of this law can only >>>be enforced by an application to a County Court and most of us do not >>>have the time and energy to do this. Many companies including software >>>providers manage to flout their legal responsibilities by banking on a >>>lack of willingness to summon them to Court. I personally believe that >>>the blind organisations in the UK should do much more to make companies >>>comply with the law. if tough for most people to embark on a court >> summons. >>> >>>The legal conference in London I attended in December 2007 had several >>>blind jurists talking about the "scandal" of software providers >>>flouting the law in the provision of their products. . There was much >>>talk >> of starting >>>litigation against companies like Apple but I have not heard of >>>anything >>>yet. Still it might be in the pipeline. >>> >>>David Griffith >>> >>> >>>-----Original Message----- >>>From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>>[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] On Behalf Of tim >>>Sent: Friday, 02 May 2008 14:56 >>>To: [email protected] >>>Subject: Re: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune >>> >>>Well there are no laws saying companies have to make there products >>>accessible. The orgs we have such as NFB and ACB haven't even tried to >>>do anything about this sense there start. So what are they for besides >> nothing. >>>The chip to make things talk costs around $.50 or less by now, and to >>>put it into a product isn't hard.. >>> >>>At 04:25 AM 5/2/2008, you wrote: >>> >I don't know if Apple have improved, don't think so. I have just >>> >thrown out my Ipod, Itunes and anything to do with Apple. I nominate >>> >that company as the worse in the world. >>> > >>> >What's happened to all this discrimination law that is supposed to be >>> >in existence. It seems to me that more and more electronic devices >>> >and software is becoming less and less accessible. I'm thinking of >>> >upgrading my sound system through which I play my TV service but it >>> >is difficult to find anything today that isn't screen driven. >>> > >>> >Sorry to rant on. I recommend you flog your Ipod and keep well away >>> >from Apple. >>> > >>> >David >>> >----- Original Message ----- >>> >From: "Holger Fiallo" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >>> >To: <[email protected]>> >>> >Sent: Thursday, May 01, 2008 11:53 PM >>> >Subject: [JAWS-Users] JAWS and Itune >>> > >>> > >>> > > Hi, all >>> > > I have an Ipod and I installed Itune. Are there any free script >>> > > for jaws 9 and Itune? I know there are scripts that I could >>> > > purchased but I was wondering if anyone has created scripts for >>> > > Itune that are >>>free. >>> > > >>> > > >>> > > Kind Regard >>> > > Holger Fiallo >>> > > Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >>> > > http://www.jaws-users.com >>> > > Address for the list archives: >>> > > http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >>> > > To post to this group, send email to >>> > > [email protected] To unsubscribe from this group, >>> > > send an email to [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the >>> > > subject or body of a blank message to: >>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > Use the following form in order to contact the management team >>> > > http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php >>> > > If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to >>> > > the following address: >>> > > [EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> > > >>> > >>> > >>> >Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >>> 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>>>[EMAIL PROTECTED] >>> >> >> >> Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >> http://www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the Blind Computing home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> To post to this group, send email to >> [email protected] >> To unsubscribe from this group, send an email to >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> For help from Mailman with your account Put the word help in the subject >> or >> body of a blank message to: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Use the following form in order to contact the management team >> http://www.jaws-users.com/managers.php >> If you wish to join the Blind Computing list send a blank email to the >> following address: >> [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> >> >> >> Visit the JAWS Users List home page at: >> http://www.jaws-users.com >> Visit the Blind Computing home page at: >> http://www.blind-computing.com >> Address for the list archives: >> http://www.mail-archive.com/[email protected] >> 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