Tony, Top posting because the comments are generic to the topic (mostly). Also, I'm just being a little lazy.
I completely agree with your insights about jBASE, their product and resources. Unfortunately, that makes them similar to other Multivalue vendors with the exception of U2 but it isn't IBM that is making the difference in that community. The big difference with jBASE besides the architecture of the product itself is their support staff. The two Dan's have been very helpful for several years and those that proceeded them were most helpful too. I find it interesting that while the OP has been redirected to a competitors website for a tutorial, that tutorial was not created by the vendor but from the community. No one in the jBASE community has donated time to the community like Brian Leach has to U2. Imagine a jBASE users group driven by the users and supported by the vendor, not driven by the vendor. That is what U2 has. Why don't you post your jBASE notes that you turned over to PickWiki? Dick (not Pick) Thiot On Thu, Aug 20, 2009 at 9:19 PM, Tony G <e09kp5...@sneakemail.com> wrote: > > Brian wrote: > > At the risk of getting flamed here <grin> you will > > find some free learning materials on the U2UG website. > > In 2005 I got an excellent, generous, two-day, one-on-one > training session with Dan Ell from jBase International. Despite > the fact that I had been working with other Pick/Multivalue > platforms for over 20 years before that, I still considered > myself a complete noob with jBase - in part because as Jim says > "jBase isn't Pick" - and I really needed a sit-down with someone > before I could "get it". > > After my great experience with Dan, I wrote many notes which I > forwarded to people at jBase, with specifics about gaps in the > documentation and issues with the new user experience. My view > was and is that jBase doesn't get as many migrations from other > MV environments, or from the mainstream, because it's simply > unapproachable. The installation and configuration can only be > done properly by someone who already works with the platform. > The documentation is often cryptic and inaccurate. It's mostly > reference material for someone who already knows the platform. > There are are few tutorials, and those were written by field > employees out of need, not by jBase Marketing as a means of > facilitating an introduction to the platform. With the resources > available, the undocumented and poorly documented "gotchas" are > so numerous that anyone but the most highly motivated is more > likely to give up than to forge forward. That's really a shame > because the platform truly is a worthy competitor to other MV > platforms and to the DBMS market as a whole. > > The response to my comments included "great idea" and "we should > do that" - but no one has done anything in the last four years. > The documentation is still old, the website a poor resource, and > people asking for a tutorial in the product forum have to get > referred to competing products to get something that may help. > > The people at jBase are great, and guys like Dan Klein are well > versed and will help people through anything. But documentation > should come from the vendor as part of the product. In the > absence of any such help from the vendor, it seems the community > will need to provide whatever tutorials or supplemental > documentation that it finds valuable. My recommendation is to > make use of PickWiki.com, where I hope people will post their > helpful notes about how to use this platform. Others can add to > it, correct it, format for readability, etc. It's completely > free, easy to register, and I'll be happy to help with any > contributions. It would be nice if there was a jbasewiki.com or > something similar, but I'm unaware of such a resource. Other > suggestions are welcome for increasing the volume of information > available to user/developers. > > Tony Gravagno > Nebula Research and Development > TG@ remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com > Nebula R&D sells mv.NET and other Pick/MultiValue products > worldwide, and provides related development services > remove.pleaseNebula-RnD.com/blog/ > Visit PickWiki.com! Contribute! > > > > > > --~--~---------~--~----~------------~-------~--~----~ Please read the posting guidelines at: http://groups.google.com/group/jBASE/web/Posting%20Guidelines IMPORTANT: Type T24: at the start of the subject line for questions specific to Globus/T24 To post, send email to jBASE@googlegroups.com To unsubscribe, send email to jbase-unsubscr...@googlegroups.com For more options, visit this group at http://groups.google.com/group/jBASE?hl=en -~----------~----~----~----~------~----~------~--~---
