On 2001.11.26 18:02:23 -0500 Julian Gosnell wrote:
> David,
> 
> 
> Please would you expand on this a little.
> 
> Do you mean:
> 
> a). The packager of the app would be able to provide a single descriptor

If they want to, Anatoly Akkerman just asked for this a couple of days ago
> b). The container would merge the proprietary and standard descriptor
> before
> processing?

If you choose to use standard j2ee dds, yes.
> 
> Which particular descriptors are you considering ?

I'm looking at ejb 2 stuff right now.
> 
> I have reservations about (a):
> 
> Deployment is complex enough without introducing another descriptor.

Well that's sort of what I thought too, but I can also see that one dd is
simpler than 2 or 3 with implicit cross references.
> 
> What is the reason for this train of thought ?

Anatoly's request and my attempts to write a ejb 2 - jca cci dd processor
with minimal work.
> 
> Simplicity ?
> 
> You make life more complex and less portable for the packager of the app
> - he
> has to make another choice.

He has another choice available that may ve simpler, he (she) sode not have
to take it.
> You will increase any effort that is going into automatic dd generation
> for
> JBoss.
> If you are expecting to pass one of these to e.g. Jetty it won't like it
> - so
> integration becomes more expensive.

Ok, not for web apps.  But maybe this approach will turn out to be really
simple and you guys will become converts ;-) (__maybe__)
> 
> Speed ?
> 
> Deployment is not generally considered a speed-critical area. Why invest
> the
> time here when it might be better spent somewhere that is speed-critical.
> 
> If your suggestion is (b), then it is a matter of implementation. If
> preprocessing the descriptors makes it easier to then process that output
> efficiently/easily then I see no problem. Each descriptor consumer can
> choose
> their own strategy.

Exactly.  I'm thinking it will make writing the dd processors easier and
provide the possibility of unified dd's all in one swell foop.


> 
> Sorry to sound down on the idea, I'm just pushing th web-container view -
> it
> may be far more applicable to other types of descriptor.

I don't know yet either, so far it's just an idea.
david

> 
> 
> Jules
> 
> 
> marc fleury wrote:
> 
> > sounds like a good idea,
> >
> > marcf
> >
> > |-----Original Message-----
> > |From: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> > |[mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]On Behalf Of
> David
> > |Jencks
> > |Sent: Monday, November 26, 2001 12:44 PM
> > |To: jboss-dev
> > |Subject: [JBoss-dev] (rh) Can we combine j2ee and jboss dds with xsl
> to
> > |get just one dd?
> > |
> > |
> > |It's just an idea...
> > |
> > |Now, we have many kinds of (j2ee) packages where we process the
> metadata by
> > |first looking at the j2ee version, and then reprocessing with more
> detail
> > |with the jboss version.  Also, Anatoly Akkerman recently requested a
> > |(non-j2ee) unified deployment descriptor.
> > |
> > |So..
> > |
> > |What if
> > |
> > |--when we are doing j2ee spec compliant deployment we use xsl (or
> something
> > |like it) to combine the 2 (or 3 or ...) dds into one unified dd that
> can be
> > |processed in one pass.
> > |
> > |--we can also deploy the unified version directly for those who like
> it.
> > |
> > |Good idea or am I nuts?
> > |
> > |Thanks
> > |david jencks
> > |
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