> Why do you want it out?  You must have had a reason to send the
> email.  Can
> you explain what your pain was and perhaps we can find a better
> solution to
> it (other than ditching log4j on the client).

Yes. I agree that we need to have tools to debug our stuff. My problem is
that log4j is only "used" for debugging but in reality it means that that
all beans in production now must have log4j on the client side.

It is like saying: "we absolutely need Junit and Jmeter for testing our
stuff, consequently all clients applications needs to have these on their
classpath because it is easier for us.".

If I am remember well, we never use log4j directly, right? but a wrapper
class? What I meant was: couldn't we make the wrapper not require log4j by
default.


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