---------- Forwarded Message ---------- Subject: Re: [jos-general] Re: [jdistro-devel] Where do we go ? Date: Wed, 02 Jul 2003 14:46:49 -0400 From: Gilbert Carl Herschberger II <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> To: Christian Heller <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
It is rare and precious to find someone capable of bringing people together. Are you that person? I think so. Many of us think we have different goals, and need to travel in different directions... And yet, it seems that our goals are not so different after all. Because of the JOS Project, our members have ended up experimenting with many different aspects of Java technologies--beyond what makes an OS--to find out what people might expect from Java technology. Here is how it might be possible to unite these development projects into a united development platform: form a brand new project on sourceforge.net with an explicit goal to unite many other projects. Java technology is wonderful. It especially shines in the area of integration. But somebody has to actually do the work on putting the results of these projects together into something people can use. A new project should be focused on integration and feedback. We need to explain to the specialists how they can make their project more compatible with what other people are doing. Politically and pragmatically, it is better to build a brand new project. Anyone interested in integration can join. Those who simply want to develop isolated applications that happen to be written in Java do not have to join. It sounds like there is momentum here. Those of us who want to discuss integration should join together in a mailing list that is focused on integration. (You should not be required to post messages to multiple mailing lists, right?) I have followed the JOS Project from the beginning. I could contribute more information about what we have attempted, both what has been a success and what has been a failure. We can help enable Java programmers to build applications that work together. How do we make all of it work together? If we can answer that, we can all benefit. What is the name of the new project? and its mailing list? How about something that plays on where we come from? Java United Application Network (JUAN). Or, Open Common API For Existance (OpenCAFE). No, really. There is a common API for per-sistance, but no such support for existance. Your Java program must exist within a Java-enabled environment before it can do something useful. In my experience, the most difficult part of Java technology has been the actual deployment of a finished application. How many ways are there to deploy a Java class? Many. And unfortunately, they have little in common. Why can't you create a Java program that can run as a EJB, applet, application and servlet? Because the EJB, applet, application and servlet APIs have little or nothing in common. There are jars, wars, ears. But I would like a set of Java applications that all deploy the same way. And no, WebStart is not it. Your API, framework and class library should be deployed differently than a Java application. I would like to put class libraries into a class library archive and applications into an application archive. I would like to do with my compiled code what I already do with compiled C/C++ code. I want different deployment for shared libraries (.so and .dll) and executable programs (.exe). More on that later. Thanks, ------------------------------------------------------- This SF.Net email sponsored by: Parasoft Error proof Web apps, automate testing & more. Download & eval WebKing and get a free book. www.parasoft.com/bulletproofapps1 _______________________________________________ JBoss-Development mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] https://lists.sourceforge.net/lists/listinfo/jboss-development
