I'm not seeing how IOC is sufficient to bring up a web container for example. There 
still needs to be a start notion that allows the service
to configure all of its internals it seems. How would start on the service interceptor 
be able to do this?

anonymous wrote : 
  | I actually feel lifecycle is unnecessary if read-ahead and IOC was implemented. It 
would be replaced by ordered configuration and valves. The user would have two options 
start/stop the valve or deploy/undeploy the service.
  | 
  | One solution would be to run core services/deployers in "ring zero"
  | a sort of controlling sub-machine/extensible kernel. This would make other 
services slightly second class citizens.
  | This still does not solve the problem generally, e.g. 
  | 1) how to allow pluggable logging (currently implemented with a boot.log and 
server.log)
  | 2) how to run the boot under a security context and still have pluggable security
  | 3) what if you want your mbean persistence from the db for your core services when 
the db connection isn't deployed until later
  | 
  | It's almost like you a need a separate bootstrap "process"
  | that boots enough to configure the main machine before being discarded in favour 
of it? A bit like the bios/boot block in the pc.
  | 
  | Regards,
  | Adrian
  | 


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