Rickrd-,
Some stuff is missing from
dreambean.com/download/rickard/EBS-0.1.zip like
com.telkel.webwork.*, or I can not find it.
Hristo
--- Rickard �berg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi!
>
> Tom Cook wrote:
> > No, the way we use XMLC is to compile the html to
> a java class (well,
> > it treats it as xml with the html dtd, but this is
> more-or-less html)
> > and then use the w3c DOM to insert/remove bits.
> Then the class
> > produces an html document when you ask for it.
> >
> > This means that the webbie can produce html pages
> with dummy data in
> > them which look exactly like the end product
> without dynamic bits.
> > Then that it approved by management/whoever. Then
> we take the dummy
> > pages, XMLC them and write code which replaces the
> dummy data with our
> > dynamic data. That way prototypes aren't
> throw-away any more, they
> > are what you use in your final site.
>
> Hehe... well, my model is even better then :-) Your
> process is a 2-step
> one: first webbie creates template with dummies,
> then techies replace
> dummies with real values. This is a very common
> model, and one that I've
> used myself on a number of occasions. The problem,
> as we all know, with
> that is how you deal with changes to the template
> once the techies have
> done their part. Non-trivial in most cases.
>
> My process is a 1-step: webbie and techie decide
> together how the page
> will look like and what the dynamic contents will
> be. The techie then
> produces JavaBeans which return dummy values, and
> the webbie creates the
> HTML that through taglibs accesses these values.
> BOOM. Now you have a
> working app, and the time it took you to do it was
> close to zero. The
> values may be dummy ones, but there is no change to
> the HTML/JSP from
> this point. When the techie has updated the
> JavaBeans to really use the
> backend data store it just works. And you can
> gradually see the site
> come alive as he updates the JavaBeans to get real
> data.
>
> But that's not all: in the meantime the webbie can
> work in parallel to
> upgrade the HTML with nicer fonts and colors and
> images and whatnot.
> Since the two tasks are completely decoupled they
> can't break each
> others work. So, you have a working protoype from
> day one which then
> evolves both techie wise and webbie wise. Absolute
> nirvana if you ask me
> :-)
>
> Of course, you *can* still use the 2-step model with
> HTML templates
> including dummy values, but I would rather call that
> "sketches" than
> "prototype".
>
> > > So, JSP != "Java code in HTML". Can be, but
> don't have to be.
> >
> > Alright, maybe I was a bit strong on that one.
> But I still think XMLC
> > provides a cleaner mechanism for separating the
> job of the developer
> > and the web designer. They never need to edit
> each other's files.
>
> But the techie needs to know the structure of the
> webbies work. So, if
> the webbie decides to restructure the page you're in
> trouble. Also, what
> if the webbie decides that the logic you do should
> be usable in several
> different pages in different ways (i.e. using
> subsets of the retrieved
> data for example). From what I have seen of XMLC and
> all other Model-2
> frameworks the control JavaBeans always know about
> the structure the are
> going to be put in. They "push" data, whereas in my
> model the data is
> "pulled" by the view.
>
> But I talk too much. Much easier to show you, and
> you can make up your
> own mind if I talk gaga or not. :-) Download the
> first version of the
> EBS system I'm working on right now from:
> dreambean.com/download/rickard/EBS-0.1.zip
>
> Look in /resources/view to find an example of what
> I'm talking about.
> The JSP's use three mechanisms: a model-2 dispatcher
> to invoke
> JavaBeans, a simple taglib to extract data from the
> JavaBeans into the
> page, and jsp:include to make the whole thing
> component oriented.
>
> Put ebs.war in Tomcat and ebs.jar in jBoss. Run
> Tomcat and jBoss, surf
> to /ebs to view application.
>
> /Rickard
>
> --
> Rickard �berg
>
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