"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote :  After several years of Spring development, do you 
see any of the code Spring guys trying to bring their ideas back into Java EE?  
 I saw lots of crying about J2EE, but did they contribute back to the Java 
community for the benefit of everyone?    

How stupid! And this by a JBoss "Offical". I am a End-User and currently 
evaluating different technology options in a hopefully objective and 
unemotional way. And then i read this discussion in a Support Forum of 
Jboss.org, looking for help on a Tomcat Server Exception on a Seam Example 
Project. 

I am not a Spring Fan: This isn't a football game, so i don't take sides. We 
evaluate technology to satisfy a complex set of requirements, which are mostly 
unique in the combination for a company and may even contradict.  So there's 
never, again: never a black and white, a clear cut option. And still you decide 
and are successful, if you decide right. 

And another thing, i think i learned over the years:  in every science field i 
know about, creativity and innovation thrives on respect for the contributions 
for the others. 

Also
"[EMAIL PROTECTED]" wrote : 
  | - easy things are easy to do 
  | - difficult things are still easy to do 
  | - the 90% common case can be implemented without effort 
  | - the 10% more difficult problems can be solved in an elegant fashion 
are so terribly misused marketing buzzwords. I heard this so many times in my 
professional life and have learnt not to believe them:  examples from way back: 
when SQL was made commerially available and MFS was introduced my IBM. Now 
Relational Databases and SQL are now the legacy (Problem) and MFS is probably 
not in use much anymore.

I am looking into Seam among many other options. And will continue to see how 
Seam may be adequat for our requirements. 

But reading this posts and epecially Normans, as a JBoss Official, certainly 
don't invoke the impression of enterprise trustworthiness. It's the first time 
i saw, this kind of immature and irrelevant blabling in official support forum. 
Please be aware of the existents of  "soft" requirements: social and cultural 
factors, which are tremdously underestimated, see also James O. Coplien. (Who's 
that? you will probably ask...) .

Now to my initial intention to visit this forum. I admit i should have posted 
this in a seperate Thread. But i can't resist. 

So maybe Norman or Christian can answer me this one: 

The Seam Example application Issues gives me a Tomcat Exception:

INFO  12-07 21:23:30,786 (Log4JLogger.java:info:94)  -reading pages.xml
ERROR 12-07 21:23:31,705 (Log4JLogger.java:error:119)  -Servlet.service() for 
servlet jsp threw exception
java.lang.NoClassDefFoundError: org/apache/myfaces/config/MyfacesConfig
        at 
org.apache.myfaces.renderkit.html.HtmlRendererUtils.writePrettyLineSeparator(HtmlRendererUtils.java:466)
        at 
org.apache.myfaces.custom.datalist.HtmlListRenderer.encodeBegin(HtmlListRenderer.java:53)
        at 
javax.faces.component.UIComponentBase.encodeBegin(UIComponentBase.java:512)
        at javax.faces.component.UIData.encodeBegin(UIData.java:547)
        at 
javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.encodeBegin(UIComponentTag.java:464)
        at javax.faces.webapp.UIComponentTag.doEndTag(UIComponentTag.java:360)
        at 
org.apache.myfaces.taglib.UIComponentBodyTagBase.doEndTag(UIComponentBodyTagBase.java:55)

I am running with Tomcat: apache-tomcat-5.5.17, which i downloaded from the 
official apache site. And with: jboss-seam-1.0.1.GA. 
Both out of the box in a "clean" installation. 

Has somebody experienced simliar problems or can explain me the problem? 


Thanx 
Christoph Henrici



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