I dont know how i missed this the first time, but in fact, there was also a Facelets exception complaining about class loading. 2007-08-01 17:24:11,602 ERROR [STDERR] java.lang.ClassNotFoundException: No ClassLoaders found for: org.jboss.seam.security.SecurityFunctions | 2007-08-01 17:24:11,602 ERROR [STDERR] at org.jboss.mx.loading.LoadMgr3.beginLoadTask(LoadMgr3.java:212) | 2007-08-01 17:24:11,602 ERROR [STDERR] at org.jboss.mx.loading.RepositoryClassLoader.loadClassImpl(RepositoryClassLoader.java:514) | 2007-08-01 17:24:11,602 ERROR [STDERR] at org.jboss.mx.loading.RepositoryClassLoader.loadClass(RepositoryClassLoader.java:408) | 2007-08-01 17:24:11,602 ERROR [STDERR] at | ... This is in fact almost identical symptoms to those described (and as far as I can tell never solved) at: http://www.jboss.com/index.html?module=bb&op=viewtopic&p=4056730 (i.e., the security functions work some times, and fail after a submit - in my case, continue to work after some submits, but seem to fail when a Validator fails)
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