anonymous wrote : Are you able to post some actual code that demonstrates these 
performance issues: (beans, facelets etc)? 

I posted some code before 
https://javaserverfaces.dev.java.net/issues/show_bug.cgi?id=625

anonymous wrote : In addition to all the EL parsing, reflection, etc. the EL 
calls will probably be subject to several layers of interception. Do these show 
up in your timings? 

I haven't really investigated impact of interseption. I my past experience
of rendering tables without Seam it was slow too.

anonymous wrote : I know you've run a profiler on the session and currently all 
fingers point to EL, but another thing to consider is that there are certain 
cases in IE where the browser itself is incredibly slow at rendering tabular 
data. 

I've seen it too, but I'm not talking here about client side.
I'm clocking renderding phase on server side. (JSF Phase listener
displays timing of all JSF phases on server side). 



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