First, sorry for posting in html it was purely accidental. And yes, I should have sent mail to jboss.org; I made a big mistake and I learned my lesson. I was trying to get a response from the three motioned and intentionally put (OT) to let people know that this was "Off Topic". Since I often read Marc's colorful responses I figured he reads these lists and would take notice. I was looking for a way to get a response (although not the response I got) from Scott, Daniel or Marc.
I don't want to publicize myself or our work on this forum. It's not intended for and I'm not trying to sell it to you (jboss-users). I didn't once mention what the product did, cost, or anything about it. For all you know I could be representing a non-profit trying to help abused children. So, how can you make the leap from asking a question about publicizing JBoss to the post being about money I can't figure. This is purely a way for JBoss to get into the press and we can show support for a product we are passionate about. I'm not looking for $$ to do it.
Hopefully this is the end of this thread.
John Moore
-----Original Message-----
From: Karl Koster [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Thursday, March 28, 2002 5:19 AM
To: Peter Fagerlund; [EMAIL PROTECTED]
Subject: RE: [JBoss-user] Scott Stark, Daniel Fleury or Mark Fleury -
Pres s Release Questio n (OT)
Peter and the rest of the list users:
-- NO Flames, Please --
I have to agree with the posting referred to here. Like it or not it is
perception that will get you in the door at a client.
I work at a major energy trading concern (not Enron) in the U.S. and have
been to JBoss training, albiet a while ago. And, I have to say, that, while
I find the JBoss group to be a talented collection of individuals, I am
finding it hard to sell JBoss to management. Not because it is open source,
but because of the, sometimes extremely, unprofessional way that they
present themselves in the user and developer forums.
Believe it or not technical management will look here to get an
understanding of the professional caliber of the people they will be working
with. Do they do this with the other J2EE app server vendors? No. But those
vendors have fleets of salespeople to present their product an a favorable
light. The best way to "sell" this product is by professional demeanor
inside these lists by the core participants. Don't believe for an instant
that decisions are not being made on viability of JBoss based on the
behaviour of its "managers".
If the attitude to this post is, well, ** explitive deleted **, try
refrasing your response without it, expressing the same viewpoint and you
will be well on your way to accomplishing this goal.
Karl Koster
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Sempra Energy Trading
on 28-03-2 06.11, danch at [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
>> U have the wrong address ! ...
> If you're going to bitch about someone else's post being in html, at
> least strain your fingers to type the word 'you.' That's three freaking
> letters, Peter. I understand if english is not your first language, but
> typing three more letters won't hurt you. Grammar and sentence structure
> I can deal with, but this makes you come across like some script-kiddy.
true
> Sorry, but that's one of my hot-buttons.
I noticed ...
>> Show Me the Money ...
> <rant>
> Great, that's all we need! Peter insulting people on behalf of the JBoss
> Group, even before Marc has a chance to. Now Peter, exactly what _is_
> your connection to the JBoss Group, that you're stealing Marc's line?
> You are apparently aware that The JBoss Group is a separate legal
> entity, an independent company? Can you speak for them?
>
> Frankly this is a very strange attitude for people who want to be paid
> to have: let's just insult anyone who comes along saying 'this could be
> better' and we certainly can't let anyone get away with publishing a
> press release mentioning how using JBoss made the project work so much
> better! The nerve of some people, to give JBoss free publicity! I'm not
> saying anyone should go out of their way to support someone who expects
> to be treated as royalty for free; I'm just saying that there are polite
> and professional ways to explain the difference between open-source and
> free support to people.
>
> What does it take for people to understand that what they say in a
> public forum _is_ their advertisement for _themselves_. Do you, and
> Marc, for that matter, really think that people who will later make
> decisions don't read this? Do you really think people don't remember
> names and attitudes from a mailing list? Your current customers pale in
> comparison to your future customers; otherwise you're already dead! If
> you offer JBoss consulting services, just about every person posting (or
> more importantly lurking) on this list is a potential customer. Don't
> burn bridges, either before or behind you.
>
> If you offer JBoss consulting services, just about every person posting
> (or more importantly lurking) on this list is a potential customer!
>
> Yes, I repeated that for emphasis. I really think that this is something
> that people involved with JBoss need to understand.
>
> </rant>
Man You are good - I wish I could express myself as clear as U ...
I do not speak on behalf of the JBoss Group - nor has my intention been to
do so - I am a user of this list and I do react to html formated mail ...
also to mail addressed to the wrong recipient ...
If people want to "Talk Shop or Shop Talk" then I suggest they do that at
the bussiness list and keep this one for tech realated issues.
I am not here to attract customers. I am here to learn and share.
> -danch
> (amazed that he, of all people, is trying to convince people of the
> power of tact and politic)
That Me - an oxymoron - U say ...
/peter_f
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