> Most new companies are conceived and put together in private.
> There is nothing about contributing to an open source project that
> should prevent you from having private/secret commercial 
> plans.  Do you
> post all your commercial plans to use JBoss on the list?

In most cases I would agree with you 100%.  However, in this case, CDN's
business plans involved (or seemed to involve) the potential forking of the
JBoss Project.  No matter what the reasons are for needing/wanting to do
this, my point is that it would have been good NOT to do this part of your
quest in secret.  Especially now that we've all learned that there is/was
the beginnings of a new J2EE Apache project in the works.  Now there is Elba
as well. 

I don't think users of JBoss would have had any problem with CDN offering
their own flavor of services similar to JDG.  I initially looked at having
two outside interests competing against one another at the service level,
while both were contributing to the same code base, as a win for the end
user.  Unfortunately, it doesn't appear to be playing out that way.

Remember, it's not who you are, it's how you are perceived that's important.
It is certainly possible that my perception of the situation is all out of
whack.  What I do know is that I don't really care about your personal
feelings or dealings with the JBG.  What I care about is the health and
longevity of the JBoss Project.  Forks don't help the cause, they tend to
dilute the cause.  

Maybe this is a good reason for not having any commercial entity have 100%
control of the commit rights of an open source project.  I don't know what
is the best solution to prevent forking and duplication of efforts,
especially when commercial interests are involved with open source projects.

> 
> Anyway, this is not the forum for us to list our grievances 
> with JBG and
> thus our individual reasons for leaving and starting something new.

I agree.

> Buy me a beer sometime and I'll tell you my long biased version.

I understand that there are two sides to every story which is why I began my
posting to this thread with the statement that I'm not choosing sides in
this matter (not that anyone would care if I did).  I would certainly buy
you a beer if given the opportunity because I think you have done a
wonderful job in helping to create a great product, not because I would want
all the dirt on the JBG.  I'm sure there is plenty of dirt on your side of
the fense as well.  I just hope the situation can be worked out and that it
isn't past the point of no return.

Good luck,
Dustin


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