Yes, agree with you that as a workflow engine, jBPM is pretty good, but it 
lacks tools. User/Role/Group maintenance is not a problem if you have time to 
write a small app to maintain jbpm_id_user/jbpm_id_group etc or use 
JNDI/Netscape API to maintain iPlanet LDAP server. But the fact is that we are 
very busy and lazy :-), our commercial workflow provides graphic tools to 
connect to database/LDAP/AD to maintain users/roles, you don't have to write 
your own code, that is time saving. Beside that, you can easily undeploy a 
process, the process refuse new erquests and waits for everyting is done, then 
delete itself, is this very difficult?

Regards,
Daniel

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