-= COBNET =- wrote: >> From: Julian Missig <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> Subject: Re: [JDEV] Jabber Advocacy >> Date: Tue, 26 Mar 2002 15:53:00 -0500 > <snip>
>> >> It's not likely that you'll be able to convince the sourceforge crew to >> do anything, no matter how many users want it. There are some, uh, >> /interesting/ circumstances going on there. Part of the reason we're >> going to have a mass exodus from sourceforge to jabberstudio is because >> the future of sourceforge is very questionable and the developers aren't >> on any kind of regular cycle. >> >> Julian >> -- >> email: [EMAIL PROTECTED] >> jabber:[EMAIL PROTECTED] >> > > Why is it actually questionable that sourceforge will come to an end. > I must say that I just started to like it! If it would come to an end, > will nobody else be able to do a further development of it? > > What do you man with "the developers aren't on any kind of regular > cycle" (English isn't my native language :( ) > > Mattias Campe > (JID: [EMAIL PROTECTED]) 1. Sourceforge is owned by VALinux, a company which has had considerable financial difficulties 2. Sourceforge the project was open-sourced, but has been closed in order to make the sale of Sourceforge the product more enticing. 3. #2 has caused a bit of an exodus of Free Software projects from sourceforge, to the point that several features which made transitioning a project from sourceforge before are now disabled. 4. #2 and #3 have caused the sourceforge codebase (and community) to fork, see http://savannah.gnu.org This is ignoring that sourceforge has _never_ had good administration; I once had to wait over 30 days to get CVS restored for a project. What made this really annoying was that restoring consisted solely of untarring the cvs repo I uploaded - but they do not give you shell access to the location of the CVS repository. When they finally did this, they set the permissions wrong, and after waiting three weeks for them to run _that_ one line command, I exploited a hole in their CVS installation just so I could finally work on my project again ;-) The one nice thing about JabberStudio (over sourceforge) is that the people administrating it care about the projects on it - otherwise they wouldn't have given them hosting space :-) The other nice thing is it is a project in itself - a lot of people say that Jabber is 'more than Instant Messaging' but integration with an environment like JabberStudio is both a great proof of concept and a great opportunity to really innovate in this area. For instance, I would love to get newsfeeds from projects I'm interested in. I'd love to get notifications when forums I posted to or topic I watched get replies. I would be really interested to get a message when someone checks a change into source code control which I've been waiting for. It would also be really cool to have a logged, searchable groupchat room available for project meetings. I believe every one of these ideas have been proposed at some point already (and plenty more as well), and these are just the tip of the iceburg. -David Waite _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
