dman wrote: > On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 09:09:57AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote: > | dman wrote: > | >On Thu, Apr 18, 2002 at 01:57:07AM +0200, Mattias Campe wrote: > | >... > | >| I personally think that the representation of an emoticon should be > | >| descriptive, because it could be that people use a non-emoticon client > | >| (e.g. they find all those emoticons overhead). So instead of (l) (MSN > | >| example) we could use :love: Because I think "I :love: you" is more > | >| comprehensible than "I (l) you" (Hmm, maybe a bad example ;-) ). > | > > | >People (me) who use non-graphical-smiley systems won't be bothered to > | >use colons to indicate an "emoticon". If I want emphasis, I use the > | >existing ASCII-art convention of underscores or stars. If I want an > | >"emoticon" I type, eg, :-). If it just happens to be graphical on the > | >other side, I don't care. IOW, it's fine like it is. > | > | I didn't mean that everything should be with words to be descriptive, > | like ":-)" itself is descriptive enough. Indeed, I would also want as > | much ASCII-art as possible. But for those other "expressions" (e.g. > | love) other things are needed and (l) (b) don't mean much to me. > | Suppose I'm a hardcore Windows-user and I talk to you through Jabber: > | > | I just (e) u. I also have a (i) for your project. Maybe we could discuss > | after a (~) or we could (b). I have some bad news, my (@) died, yeah, I > | know: (u) . > | Damn, I'm tired, well, look at the (o), I'll need some (c) , no I'll > | just (s) ... BTW, do not forget, it's my (^) tomorrow, hope to have good > | weather so (h) Anyway, I'll (t) or (m) you tomorrow. > > That looks horrible.
That's why I would like it more like: "I just :email: u etc." > > | Maybe, some of them you can figure out. > > Not much other than the ones you explicitly told us. (Actually, I > understand the "BTW" one!) How is it possible you understand (^), (h), (t) and (m) without ever using MSN? > > | But (supposing you never used MSN) > > That's me. > > | try to write the full text without looking at e.g. > | http://communities.msn.com/Emoticons. The only thing I'm personally > | afraid of is that a lot of clients will start using MSN emoticons. I'm > | using Gabber myself and some friends use Exodus and a lot of the time I > | have to ask what they mean with (t)(h)(i)(n)(g)(s) like this. Why > | shouldn't it be done write the wright way? > > The "wright" way (sorry, I had to) is to just write what you meant. > hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their words, but > real hackers use real English (or their native tongue, if it's > different, and the other party also understands it). Sorry for the "wright" thing ;-) , hey, but try to speak Dutch one time ;-p If you want Jabber to be known to a lot of people, you will need the Windows community were a lot of people kick on using emoticons. Those people find it "cool" and "necassary" . If you would live in Belgium I would let you try to convince some of my friens of using simple native language text instead of those emoticons, you would probably fail... > > | [...] > | >| Once again, maybe this sounds strange to you, but people really kick on > | >| emoticons. It's like "programs don't have to be usefull, they have to be > | >| cool". I'm almost sure I can convince my sister just like that if a > | >| client would have cool emoticons. > | > > | >If you want to make a jabber client that does funny graphics with > | >certain text strings, go ahead. I like eb's and gabber's non-support > | >of graphical smileys. Exodus (a windows client) has graphical smiley > | >support, but if you're using win98 you need to fix it (windows, that > | >is). > | > | Sorry, for the next 2-3 months I really won't have the time. And I > | personally think there are already enough Jabber clients. I know Exodus > | has emoticons but they are MSN emoticons :( > > Is ":(" an MSN emoticon? I thought those were universally understood > and come from the days before computers could handle graphics. Euhm, where did I say that ":(" is a typical MSN emoticon?? > > -D > "hax0rs can do all the nasty munging they want with their _names_, but real hackers use _full names_" ;-p you don't keep up your principles ... (sorry for my bad English) .m. _______________________________________________ jdev mailing list [EMAIL PROTECTED] http://mailman.jabber.org/listinfo/jdev
