Tijl Houtbeckers wrote:

This simply is one thing where "we", the Jabber community, have not done much yet (the lack of need for it, being one of the reasons perhaps). Just days ago we were still talking about how it's not clear right now how TLS/SASL/Dailback should work together. Google apperently thinks TLS is very important, they'll definatly want *some* form certificate (so SASL is a must) to prevent an army of zombie machines to start flooding them with SPIM, and if they want to keep it as open as you seem to want, they'll definatly need dailback.

Since this was all "top secret" till a few hours ago, they could hardly come on here and have a nice chat with us about it. However, the minute their service went official, they already invited the community to think about this problem with them.

i totally agree with Tijl.
There are still s2s problems on the current servers. We should figure out this problems and work on the s2s protocols for one secure standard. When you read this list then you will see lots of developers having problems with lots of different s2s implementations we have.

And we should start building a SPIM working group. When XMPP gets more popular (and it will now with google), then XMPP will be also attractive for Spammers. We must work on a solution now, and not when we get the SPIM and it's too late.

We also should invite the google developers to our discussions. It would be very interesting for all of us to get feedback and details about their server implementation and clustering technologies .

Alex

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