Two booke I would whole heartedly recoomend to the novice are 
Just Java 2 - Peter Van Der Linden
and Thinking in Java - Bruce Eckel 
()Free @http://www.codecuts.com/mainpage.asp?WebPageID=314&MenuID=141)

Both are well written, books aimed at the beginner, written with clarity and humor = 
both a joy to
read.

--- Yan Doldonov - GGBAKU IT <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Hi Tim,
> 
> Well, I agree that the books you mention do not do a good job. I have
> recently purchased Java Gently and was pretty frustrated with it
> particulary because it leads you to practice based on the author's
> classes rather than playing with core classes (which I think you should
> be learning).
> 
> You may wont to look at the following book:
> 
> Java Unleashed, Second Edition 
> (Publisher: Macmillan Computer Publishing) 
> Author(s): Michael Morrison et al 
> ISBN: 1575211971 
> Publication Date: 12/20/96 
> 
> Surprisingly enouth I found this book written in pretty plain language
> with simple yet detialed enouth definitions. I have enjoyed using this
> book to help me understand issues I had trouble with.
> 
> Hope this helps,
> 
> Yan 
> 
> 
> +---------------------------------------------------------+
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> 
> 
>   
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] 
> Sent: Saturday, August 24, 2002 12:05 PM
> To: JDJList
> Subject: [jdjlist] books for beginner java students ????
> 
> 
> Hi,
> 
> can someone recommend some books that would be useful for someone who is
> = just starting at wanting to learn java ?
> 
> I am looking for books that are easy to read/understand if possible....
> 
> I already have the following books however :-
> 
> 1) Java Gently by Bishop
> 
> 2) Java:How To Program by Deitel and Deitel
> 
> and I found these books rather difficult to understand.
> 
> Did anyone else find that ?
> 
> Has anyone read the "Teach Yourself Java in 21 Days" ?
> How did people find this book ?
> I have bought it but I have not begun to read it yet. So I am interested
> 
> in anyone else's opinion who know this book ?
> 
> Does anyone else know about books that are more "user friendly" than 
> these 2 ?
> 
> Can anyone recommend any books that would be learner friendly for a 
> beginner java student ?
> 
> 
> 
> 
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