LOL! Mssr. Zawadzki: there's sarcasm, and then there's sarcasm. My post was highly on the sarcastic side of those two. :)
>From: "M. E. Zawadzki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Reply-To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real wor >ld" ? >Date: Fri, 27 Sep 2002 09:00:24 -0700 (PDT) > >Hey Joe, > This was not intended as a joke , but rather a moral fable for Master Tim >who seems to have a >problem getting started for fear of failure. Re read it w/ that in that >context. > >And BTW, Lighten up ! > > > I think this stuff should be moderated out! > And that's the trouble with moderation - one person's "on topic" is >another's way off base. > > > >--- Joseph Ottinger <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > I, for one, find jokes of this nature HIGHLY INAPPROPRIATE for a list of > > this sort! I expect to find only issues that concern readers of JDJ, >things > > liek "How can I get PHP to run my Java code?" and "How do I get my Java >code > > to run PHP?" and, if possible, "How can I get my java code to run Java?" > > and, of course, "Kewl and funny and cute names for Scott McNealy." > > > > I think this stuff should be moderated out! > > > > > > >From: "Mark E. Zawadzki" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Reply-To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > >Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the real >wor > > > ld" ? > > >Date: Thu, 26 Sep 2002 12:05:04 -0700 (PDT) > > > > > >"Sir, What is the secret of your success?" a reporter asked a bank > > >president. > > > > > >"Two words" > > > > > >"And, Sir, what are they?" > > > > > >"Right decisions." > > > > > >"And how do you make right decisions?" > > > > > >"One word." > > > > > >"And, What is that?" > > > > > >"Experience." > > > > > >"And how do you get Experience?" > > > > > >"Two words" > > > > > >"And, Sir, what are they?" > > > > > >"Wrong decisions" > > > > > >--- Tim Nicholson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Can you please give some examples of the kind of code you write in >your > > >job > > > > so that I can see if it is stuff that I am likely to be able to > > >understand > > > > and grasp ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > From: "Jeff Fisher" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 10:41 PM > > > > Subject: [jdjlist] RE: what is it like to be a programmer "in the >real > > >wor > > > > ld" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > I thought about this for a while, and it's not an easy answer. A >lot > > > > > depends on where you work. If you are not lucky, then you get >stuck > > > > > programming in a language you hate and your life can be a living >hell. > > > On > > > > > the other hand, if you work for a good company, then life is >pretty > > >good. > > > > > For instance I work at a company that is medium to small (200 > > >employees) > > > > but > > > > > has money. I'm the technical lead, but also our architect. I get >to > > >wear > > > > > multiple hats which makes my job interesting and I try to keep our > > > > > programmers interested by having them learn knew technology along >the > > >way. > > > > > > > > > > In general, programming in the real world means your ass is on the > > >line > > > > > because you're expected to perform at a certain competency level. >I > > > > mentor > > > > > our junior programmers, but I also expect a lot out of them. If >you > > > > always > > > > > write crappy code, eventually you'll be called on the carpet or >given > > > > really > > > > > weak assignments. > > > > > > > > > > You also need to leave your ego at the door. That was the hardest > > >thing > > > > for > > > > > me to do when I first started. After a while I saw the light. It > > >doesn't > > > > > take too long when you have to work on someone's poorly >documented, > > > > > obfuscated, hacked up POS code. > > > > > > > > > > Programming in the real world is pressure. It seems like there is > > >always > > > > > some unrealistic deadline set by some marketing person or a vp -- > > >"It's > > > > > vital to our business". User's never know what they want, they >only > > >know > > > > > that what you gave them was not it and they all think they are the > > >only > > > > ones > > > > > with a problem. And anyone who has ever gone through a major > > > > implementation > > > > > can tell you, those suck beyond belief. > > > > > > > > > > On the other hand, you get to do a job that's like nothing else. > > >You're > > > > > part of a community that the rest of the company just can't >fathom. > > >You > > > > can > > > > > tend to get away with things others don't, especially if you're >good. > > >I > > > > go > > > > > ride my bicycle two hours a day in the middle of the day. Nobody >says > > >a > > > > > thing because it keeps me sane, and my work never suffers. A >number > > >of > > > > our > > > > > programmers keep some odd hours but as long as the work gets done, > > >nobody > > > > > minds much. > > > > > > > > > > From a purely technical standpoint programs written in the real >world > > >are > > > > > vastly more complex than what you'll write in high school and >college. > > > > > However, the basic structure of the programs is still the same. >It's > > >just > > > > > that the programs themselves are larger and more complex. > > > > > > > > > > Jeff > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > > > > > From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]] > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 7:18 AM > > > > > To: JDJList > > > > > Subject: [jdjlist] what is it like to be a programmer "in the real > > > > > world" ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > And to Joseph or anyone else who would like to answer:- > > > > > > > > > > Can you possibly tell me what it is like to be a programmer (in I > > >assume > > > > the > > > > > Java language) in the real world ? What I mean really by that is, >what > > > > sort > > > > > of code do you write in your job ? I assume you are working as a > > >computer > > > > > programmer ? > > > > > > > > > > So what sort of code do you produce and work with in your job ? >And is > > > > this > > > > > difficult code ? Would I find it difficult to understand and work >with > > >? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > From: "Joseph B. Ottinger" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > To: "JDJList" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 8:12 PM > > > > > Subject: [jdjlist] Re: two exercises I am trying to solve at the > > > > moment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > RE: [jdjlist] Re: J2MEWell, Tim, the first step is to read the > > > > suggestions > > > > > > made by your coursework. Start small; write functions that do >the > > >simple > > > > > > stuff first. Break the problems down (although most of the work >has > > >been > > > > > > done for you already.) Man, these questions have gotten easier >since > > >*I* > > > > > was > > > > > > in grade 9. > > > > > > > > > > > > ----- Original Message ----- > > > > > > From: Tim Nicholson > > > > > > To: JDJList > > > > > > Sent: Wednesday, September 25, 2002 4:09 AM > > > > > > Subject: [jdjlist] two exercises I am trying to solve at the > > >moment.... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Hi everyone again, > > > > > > > > > > > > this is in addition to the previous email that I sent but this >is on > > >a > > > > > > rather different topic. > > > > > > > > > > > > I am trying to work through some problems/exercises and I was > > >wondering > > > > if > > > > > > anyone might be able to suggest how I might be able to solve >these > > > > > problems > > > > > > ? > > > > > > > > > > > > Like I said before, this email is on a different topic to the >email > > >that > > >=== message truncated === > > >===== > >Mark Zawadzki Performance Engineer/DBA/Programmer extraordinaire� >[EMAIL PROTECTED] [EMAIL PROTECTED] > > "Democracies die behind closed doors," - Judge Damon Keith > > >__________________________________________________ >Do you Yahoo!? >New DSL Internet Access from SBC & Yahoo! >http://sbc.yahoo.com > >____________________________________________________ >To change your JDJList options, please visit: >http://www.sys-con.com/java/list.cfm > >Save Bandwidth! 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