I agree with Tim Nicholson and add from my experience, that the more hands-on using the language with occasional peer reviews, helps in the nurturing a better programmer. Also as my learning process continues (I started with ALGOL 60 in 1968), reading this list has provided me with innovative approaches to address my own problems and that of my team's. JQL//

At 10:29 AM 2/25/03, Tim Nicholson wrote:
Well from my viewpoint, how long it takes you to get a good footing in Java
or indeed getting a footing at any time -- depends on what learning
materials you have.

Like for example, my first taste of java was rather sour because I was using
texts that actually were not very good ones (Bishop -- "Java Gently" and
Deitel and Deitel -- "Java: How To Program")

but then I did a course from a university using their own produced learning
materials and a different text -- Lewis and Loftus -- "Java Software
Solutions" -- and I became a lot more confident.

So I think that how well you grasp java depends on how good your learning
materials are.
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