Dude,
It always rubs me the wrong way when someone says Java is hard when it is their first programming language. I suggest starting with C, because afterwards, Java is WAY easier. Yes, it does not come with the IDE and docs and method completion etc. right on the Sun website. Yes, the Sun website is atrocious, nomenclature confusing, the installation docs and Classpath description is one of the worst docs I've seen. However, if you dig just a little harder, you'll find a free IDE with all the bells and whistles, 10,000 who people who posted the exact same problem with the Classpath you had, and figure out how to use the Sun's API docs, which are actually an indispensable tool.
However, this will take some work. I don't know why Sun did it that way. Perhaps all the geeky establishments want you to first pass through a kind of "hazing" to use their stuff (Perl community included). Maybe it's the geeky arrogance that comes from thinking "Holier then thou" (well.... sometimes they are). Maybe just not wanting to bother with "minutia", or a lack of talent/motivation for making it easy for absolute begginers. If it was not for that, Sun and Perl would be where M$FT is now, and world might be a little different.
Maybe you should try C? Or VB? M$FT makes everything so easy if you can afford to pay for the software. If you're determined to see Java through, (IMHO it is well worth it), well then, welcome to the club! Keep digging, for there is no other way -- that is why we're all here, to dig and to learn.
Greg
-----Original Message-----
From: Tim Nicholson [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]]
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2003 7:30 AM
To: jdjlist
Subject: [jdjlist] how long it takes to grasp java -- and comparing
people
Well from my viewpoint, how long it takes you to get a good footing in Java
or indeed getting a footing at any time -- depends on what learning
materials you have.
Like for example, my first taste of java was rather sour because I was using
texts that actually were not very good ones (Bishop -- "Java Gently" and
Deitel and Deitel -- "Java: How To Program")
but then I did a course from a university using their own produced learning
materials and a different text -- Lewis and Loftus -- "Java Software
Solutions" -- and I became a lot more confident.
So I think that how well you grasp java depends on how good your learning
materials are.
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