Thanks for the explanation.
I'm ok to remove "_with_download".

I understood:
 - renaming filenames is applied to the case that the source files are
not available in the URL.
 - solid Source lines are expected.

Thanks,
fujiwara

Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 23:43 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote:
>> Probably I need more general rules.
>>
>> Do you mean we always put source files in dlc.sun.com whenever the files
>> just don't have the version number in the filenames without the
>> dependencies of the license?
> 
> Well, the general rule is that we use dlc.sun.com for source
> downloads when the source tarball that is not (or not
> reliably) available from the original download site.
> We also use dlc.sun.com for sources that originate from Sun.
> 
>> If we use dlc.sun.com instead of the original URL, how do users download
>> the original source files in community?
> 
> That's the point: dlc.sun.com is on the internet so it's
> accessible both inside and outside Sun.
> 
> Laca
> 
>> fujiwara
>>
>> Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
>>> On Thu, 2007-05-03 at 17:20 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote:
>>>> Laszlo (Laca) Peter wrote:
>>>>> On Wed, 2007-05-02 at 19:58 +0900, Takao Fujiwara wrote:
>>>>>> Let's say the next deadline is 20:00 today @Dubline time.
>>>>>> The AIs are to:
>>>>>>   - replace http://.../foo.zip with 
>>>>>> http://.../foo%{?!_with_download:-YYYY-MM-DD}.zip to follow 
>>>>>> http://wiki.services.openoffice.org/wiki/Dictionaries
>>>>>>   - remove en_US.aff since GNOME applications cannot use it.
>>>>>>   - deliver all documents in _doc dir beside README* files.
>>>>> Hmm... Keep in mind that the default behaviour should "just
>>>>> work".  I.e., people shouldn't need to use --with-download
>>>>> in order to get an url that works.
>>>> I'ld like to hack pkgtool. When we give "download" argument, it defines
>>>> "_with_download".
>>>>
>>>> Do you have any ideas?
>>>> If I added '$defaults->define ('_with_download', '1');' or 'process_with
>>>> ("with", "download");' in pkgtoo.pl, it does not define the parameter.
>>> I agree with Damien that this is not a good idea.
>>> --download should download whatever the url is and not rewrite the
>>> url to something that can be downloaded.
>>>
>>>>> If we change the file names, we should upload the renamed
>>>>> files to dlc.sun.com and set the Source urls to point there.
>>>> Sorry, I don't understand this exactlly.
>>>> Could you please explain your concerns with detail?
>>>> The two files foo.zip and foo-versoin.zip are the same files and
>>>> checksums are same.
>>>> The zip%{?!_with_download:-date}.zip means the .spec works with both
>>>> foo.zip and foo-version.zip.
>>>> All I understand is the RE needs the version numbers for the internal
>>>> builds.
>>> Damien explained this too.
>>> We have space here:
>>> http://dlc.sun.com/osol/jds/downloads/extras/
>>>
>>> I suggest we create a subdir under this, e.g. myspell and
>>> upload the versioned tarballs there.
>>> Then set the Source urls in the spec file to that url.
>>>
>>> Laca
>>>  
>>>>> But hey, isn't openoffice.org another project related to Sun?
>>>>> Can we just ask them to use versioned tarballs like any well
>>>>> behaved software?
>>>> Yes, you're right but it seems currently StarOffice team does not work
>>>> on the dict packages when we discussed so lively and we GNOME l10n team
>>>> has generates this package. It seems we need to convince each maintainer
>>>> by dict language.
>>>> At the moment, I think the _with_download parameter is the instant
>>>> solution and it takes a long span to covince each maintainer.
>>>>
>>>> fujiwara
>>>>
>>>>> Laca
>>>>>
>>>>>> If you have no time, I'll do that.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>> fujiwara
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Takao Fujiwara wrote:
>>>>>>> I wonder why you could change the owner. I think the implementation of 
>>>>>>> 80% are comming from myself and note I have been on vacation since 
>>>>>>> Saturday.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>> fujiwara
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>> Yuriy Kuznetsov wrote:
>>>>>>>> Dermot,
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Dermot McCluskey wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Yuriy,
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>> Sorces of dictionaries were taken from community and their locations 
>>>>>>>>>> are correct in Source section of SUNWmyspell-dictionary.spec on the 
>>>>>>>>>> moment of creation of SUNWmyspell-dictionary-* pkgs.
>>>>>>>>> So my question is, are these external files likely to be overwritten
>>>>>>>>> by their communities, so that, for example, we could not
>>>>>>>>> reproduce a specific historical build because only the new
>>>>>>>>> source tarballs are now available?
>>>>>>>> We thought it would be a good idea to keep names as they are in 
>>>>>>>> community.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Will you be putting copies of these tarballs in the internal
>>>>>>>>> tarball repository (I don't see them there currently)?
>>>>>>>> Yes.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Maybe you could unzip and rezip them with a version when doing so?
>>>>>>>> We probably can do this way.
>>>>>>>> Fujiwara, what do you think about this issue ?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> Also, copyright year (and owner?) in the header seem incorrect.
>>>>>>>> Made correction(file attached).
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>> Thanks,
>>>>>>>> yuriy
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>> - Dermot
>>>>>>>>>
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