On Wednesday, November 5, 2014 5:38:36 PM UTC+3, Daniel Beck wrote:
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> On 05.11.2014, at 15:06, Kanstantsin Shautsou <[email protected] 
> <javascript:>> wrote: 
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> > When you have good automation - nobody needs click "build". 
>
> Depends on the kind of job. I'd rather not have builds than run several 
> hours and produce tens of GB of output to run whenever someone checks 
> something in, even though I could. 

"This may be the case in your particular company, product, or team, but I 
really doubt it's universal. "

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> > Usually people wants "Poll" for changes without running any build. 
> (Typing jobname/polling) 
>
> This may be the case in your particular company, product, or team, but I 
> really doubt it's universal. 
>
This is was just an opposite example.   

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> > Serving single file/plugin for single button that is core functionality 
> is overkill. 
>
> It already exists in e.g. the SafeRestart Plugin. (And 
> https://github.com/daniel-beck/unsafe-restart-plugin 
> <https://www.google.com/url?q=https%3A%2F%2Fgithub.com%2Fdaniel-beck%2Funsafe-restart-plugin&sa=D&sntz=1&usg=AFQjCNGnSNF0ppIXfgrNcgJRzCHwyEiuMg>
>  
> is a nice example for a similar plugin that shows that not everything 
> reachable by URL  should be exposed on the UI by default.) 
>
> Safe or Unsafe? 
Graceful/not graceful shutdown/restart is also must be out of the box 
functionality. This is generic for any daemon software.
 

> Using a plugin to solve a particular use case is exactly how this should 
> be handled, unless there's strong evidence that the need is fairly 
> universal. I don't remember any earlier requests for this, the positive 
> response to your request is non-existing, and the PollSCM has reached less 
> than 700 installs in almost three years (indicating both relatively low 
> demand and acceptance of the plugin by those who want this feature), so it 
> doesn't look like there's a notable demand for this to be made part of 
> core. 

This is because people don't know about certain plugins, because jenkins 
full of useless plugins that hide from eyes good things.

>  
>
FWIW this link should be fairly easy to add using Simple Theme plugin and a 
> bit of JS, so you don't even need a plugin for this feature. 
>
I don't need another one plugin, especially for theme that is screwed on 
every jenkins release.

Not if most people would not ever need that functionality. Any added 
> UI elements in core add conceptual overhead that everyone must pay. 

For me absent button it's a bug of those who implemented polling and forgot 
about about UI. 

How much plugins were merged to core in comparison to split?

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