Hello Tracy, I am not a native speaker, and maybe my statements came across wrongly. I wrote "to the Continuous Delivery Foundation *or* to any other entity outside the Jenkins community". I do not consider the CDF an entity external to the Jenkins community. The Jenkins project is a part of the CDF, and I consider the CDF community and "extended family" of the Jenkins community. As you say there has been productive collaboration on so many topics. I neither say nor think that the CDF is external or "them" in your response. My opinion on this topic has been public on so many occasions, including the Jenkins at CDF graduation announcements. My opinion has not changed.
It remains my recommendation that the Jenkins community should take up the > offer to have CDF manage the PR > We have an open governance process in the community, and we will vote on this matter. If the majority votes to accept the CDF's offer, I will accept this decision and contribute to its implementation. I am providing my feeedback, not making decisions for the community. Everyone is welcome to vote and comment in this thread. If I have given the impression that this means a PR firm steamrolls things > then this is certainly not the case, everything is done in conjunction with > governance board & maintainers. > Sure. Whatever is decided, the PR should be a collaboration between the Jenkins community and the CDF. A third-party PR firm should be also able to take part of these communications, as well as any other individual and company contributor. ... at the very least make it clear in the processes how any organization > or part of the community can co-ordinate an announcement in an effective > manner. > I agree, the current Press page must be rewritten to capture the process. If you share contacts you'd like to be included in the loop of PR communications, I will add all these contacts to my proposal draft. Best regards, Oleg Nenasherv On Wed, Jun 9, 2021 at 11:05 PM Tracy Miranda <[email protected]> wrote: > I find it curious that you refer to 'Continuous Delivery Foundationor to > any other entity outside the Jenkins community' like it is an 'us' vs > 'them' situation. CDF already provides a bunch of services to help grow the > community e.g. marketing & events support to attract 900+ folks to > contributor summit, support for gsoc admin, not to mention other aspects > with infra, legal & training. I see PR very much as another service in this > vein, which if done with a professional approach can greatly enhance > community growth and perception. > If I have given the impression that this means a PR firm steamrolls things > then this is certainly not the case, everything is done in conjunction with > governance board & maintainers. It remains my recommendation that the > Jenkins community should take up the offer to have CDF manage the PR, but > certainly at the very least make it clear in the processes how any > organization or part of the community can co-ordinate an announcement in an > effective manner. > > Tracy > > On Fri, Jun 4, 2021 at 5:46 PM Oleg Nenashev <[email protected]> > wrote: > >> I would be happy to have any kind of collaboration with the CDF Press >> team. We do not have many contributors in this area, and having a extra >> professional contributors would help the community a lot. At the same time >> I am *-1* for just delegating press management to the Continuous >> Delivery Foundation or to any other entity outside the Jenkins community. >> It may happen on a case by case basis, but IMHO in must not be a default >> behavior. >> >> We have 5 governance board members who represent the community. We also >> have 5 officers who represent the community within the area of their >> responsibility. Any component maintainer can represent a sub-community of >> that component. This is how the community represented, and I see no reason >> to change that. The https://www.jenkins.io/press/#press-contacts page >> referenced by Tracy is indeed dated and needs to be updated. >> >> My counter-proposal is to work closely with the CDF and other interested >> parties under the umbrella of the Advocacy&Outreach SIG. >> >> - Advocacy&Outreach SIG coordinates PR for Jenkins, all interested >> individual and institutional contributors are welcome to join it. >> - The SIG provides a venue for coordination of the PR events and >> initiatives via its mailing list and regular meetings. Discourse might be >> also used once established. >> - If needed, we establish new dedicated channels for press >> communications where we have interested contributors, the CDF team, and >> other parties who want to join. >> - Private communications and NDAs, if needed for the PR activities, >> should be confirmed according to the standard Jenkins governance process. >> >> > In 2020 CDF started taking on some of this e.g. fielding questions from >> reporters during DevOps World >> >> I have a lot to say about these particular events, but this has nothing >> to do with the Jenkins community. DevOps World communications are managed >> by CloudBees, and in the particular case the company made a decision to >> channel questions to the CDF instead of letting some of its employees speak >> to reporters. No further comments, unrelated to the matter IMO. >> >> Best regards, >> Oleg Nenashev >> Jenkins Governance Board Member >> >> On Friday, June 4, 2021 at 8:30:52 PM UTC+2 Alyssa wrote: >> >>> +1 for CDF to handle Jenkins press releases. Having an experienced, >>> dedicated resource on this is a valuable benefit, imo. >>> >>> On Wed, Jun 2, 2021 at 10:43 AM Tracy Miranda < >>> [email protected]> wrote: >>> >>>> Hi all, >>>> >>>> The Continuous Delivery Foundation (CDF) offers public relations (PR) >>>> services to all CDF projects e.g we co-ordinated the Jenkins Graduation >>>> <https://www.prnewswire.com/news-releases/cd-foundation-announces-jenkins-graduation-301105709.html> >>>> announcement. >>>> >>>> *Note:* PR = public relations (not pull request) for this email >>>> >>>> *TL;DR* I'd like to propose updates to https://www.jenkins.io/press/ >>>> and processes around PR announcements & related activities to formalize CDF >>>> providing PR support for Jenkins. >>>> >>>> Background: >>>> Jenkins PR has been previously handled by Kohsuke, volunteer press >>>> contacts & the CloudBees PR team e.g Jenkins & AWS >>>> <https://www.cloudbees.com/press/jenkins-community-establishes-native-support-aws-serverless-application-model-creation> >>>> , Jenkins & Docker >>>> <https://www.cloudbees.com/press/jenkins-community-and-cloudbees-announce-docker-integration-next-wave-continuous-delivery> >>>> In >>>> 2020 CDF started taking on some of this e.g. fielding questions from >>>> reporters during DevOp World >>>> >>>> While at the simplest level blog posts can serve as community >>>> announcements (and should continue to do so) PR offers that next level of >>>> support and services typically include: >>>> - building relationships with relevant reporters in the space >>>> - pitching newsworthy announcements to reporters >>>> - co-ordinating announcements when there are multiple 3rd parties >>>> involved >>>> - identifying & co-ordinating community folks to respond to incoming >>>> requests >>>> - tracking mentions and stories related to the project >>>> - issuing corrections to reporters as needed (e.g this happens now & >>>> then around security advisories) >>>> (For more details see: 6 public relations lessons for open source >>>> projects >>>> <https://opensource.com/life/11/4/six-public-relations-lessons-open-source-projects> >>>> ) >>>> >>>> For Jenkins I'd suggest the press page be updated to [email protected]. >>>> >>>> At CD.Foundation we work with Jesse Casman of Story Changes Culture who >>>> would then sync with the governing board or any identified contacts (e.g >>>> security officer) to respond to incoming requests. >>>> >>>> It would also be ideal to work with the community on a related >>>> growth-plan with at least 1-2 announcements targeted for the year. >>>> >>>> I'll wait to hear any feedback then go ahead and submit a pull request >>>> to reflect some of the suggested changes. >>>> >>>> Regards, >>>> Tracy >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google >>>> Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. >>>> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send >>>> an email to [email protected]. >>>> To view this discussion on the web visit >>>> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAJ2Kh8mMo4fngifx49p%2BiKxEBkFeaxLmPy0SJ5NZvAGn9%2BhBRg%40mail.gmail.com >>>> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAJ2Kh8mMo4fngifx49p%2BiKxEBkFeaxLmPy0SJ5NZvAGn9%2BhBRg%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >>>> . >>>> >>> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Developers" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to [email protected]. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/18004e1b-97f7-4739-bb7f-ffae2183b57dn%40googlegroups.com >> <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/18004e1b-97f7-4739-bb7f-ffae2183b57dn%40googlegroups.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> >> . >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to a topic in the > Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this topic, visit > https://groups.google.com/d/topic/jenkinsci-dev/_8sTinHSiUs/unsubscribe. > To unsubscribe from this group and all its topics, send an email to > [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAJ2Kh8kA2_dzate9bTgv8R9RhSAVGFezggbjQNKB5%2BcLGh33zA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/CAJ2Kh8kA2_dzate9bTgv8R9RhSAVGFezggbjQNKB5%2BcLGh33zA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. 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