Plus Java 17 comes out really soon. I can imagine that will inspire more projects to set Java 11 as a baseline. Definitely start planning since most people will probably be affected by some other dependencies well before they hit Jenkins.
Matt Sicker > On Aug 11, 2021, at 09:18, [email protected] <[email protected]> wrote: > > Hi Bill (et al) for those that are running nonstop or the like and have an > update / test cycle in the order of 6 months : > > I would recommend that your customers probably want to start the planning / > validation to update to Java11 now even if this LTS version still runs on > Java8. Java11 is going to happen at some point and I am not sure the project > will be able to give you all the advance notice you need. > > Jenkins has supported Java11 for a while now, and if there are any specifics > from you that cause it not to run we would like to be aware as early as > possible (it won;t help you if we find out after the switch has been made and > 7 days before a go live) > > > Most of your customers don't spend time reviewing this group. And many > > Enterprise decisionmakers don't participate in Twitter, which leaves the > > results of surveys in that platform somewhat questionable. > > On that note - where should we announce surveys / things like this - if users > are not in the user email / discored or the like how can we reach people to > inform them and have them participate? > > I also work for a company (CloudBees) that has Jenkins at its core for > Enterprise customers, so we have the statistics from these installations as > well - so this project is not blind of enterprises (and if a customer wants a > version of Jenkins that is supported for 9 months rather than the normal 3 we > can probably help you out, and there may be others) > > Regards > > /James >> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 11:00:06 PM UTC+1 [email protected] wrote: >> Mark, >> >> Randall had pointed me to this thread. I admit to only reading the last >> couple of dozen posts and, based only on that, share my concerns. I should >> have spent more time reading the thread, but I was scheduled to do a code >> walkthrough with my customer and took the 'short' path, for which I >> apologize. >> >> Your clarification does seem 100% the right thing to do, and I thank you for >> sharing it. That's worth much more than .02$US! >> >> And my customers all never need know I ever had this concern, you had it >> covered. :-) >> >> Bill >>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 3:49:40 PM UTC-5 Mark Waite wrote: >>> Thanks for sharing your insights. Great to have participation in the >>> thread. Comments are inline >>> >>>> On Wednesday, August 4, 2021 at 2:39:05 PM UTC-6 bhon wrote: >>>> Similar to Randall (the.n...), I have customers that use NonStop, but they >>>> also use various distros of Enterprise Linux. Their corporate strategy >>>> for software development is to remain on Java 8 for the foreseeable >>>> future, primarily due to the JDK 11 licensing mentioned above. They have >>>> a corporate support contract with Oracle to continue to get Java 8 >>>> updates, so support is not an issue for them. Shipping a version of >>>> Jenkins that won't do 'remoting' on those target platforms should require >>>> much longer than 5 months of advance notice, as those customers are on >>>> much longer strategic cycles. >>>> >>> >>> I'm not sure where you're getting the idea that we would be shipping a >>> version of Jenkins that won't do 'remoting' on those target platforms. The >>> proposal does not remove Java 8 support. The proposal does not prevent >>> users from running agents or controllers or both with Java 8. The proposal >>> does not change how 'remoting' operates. >>> >>> >>>> Even though the newer platforms and releases for NonStop include both >>>> Java 8 and Java 11, customers on NonStop and Linux that are >>>> Enterprise-focused (and there are MANY) haven't installed Java 11 and have >>>> no plan to do so this year or probably even next. What was the >>>> penetration number above for Java 11, only 4%? Expecting a large >>>> percentage of your customer base to make this move is short-sighted. >>>> >>> >>> We're not expecting them to make a move. We're changing the default in the >>> Jenkins Docker images so that users who choose to use the default Jenkins >>> Docker images will use Java 11 instead of Java 8. Users that can't use >>> Docker images (arm32, ppc64, s390x, ia64, riscv) can continue to use either >>> Java 8 or Java 11 on their platform. After the change, users that are >>> running Docker images can change the name of the image they are using and >>> that will allow them to continue running with Java 8. Today, if they run >>> with `docker run --rm -i -t jenkins/jenkins:lts` and they have a hard >>> requirement for Java 8, they will need to run with `docker run --rm -i -t >>> jenkins/jenkins:lts-jdk8`. >>> >>>> If Jenkins is to retain its preferred position in Enterprise environments, >>>> this decision should be very carefully reconsidered. Most of your >>>> customers don't spend time reviewing this group. And many Enterprise >>>> decisionmakers don't participate in Twitter, which leaves the results of >>>> surveys in that platform somewhat questionable. This is not just a >>>> question of what is easier for the developers of Jenkins, it's also a >>>> matter of where Jenkins (and its remotes) run. >>>> >>> >>> We're not changing where Jenkins can run with this proposal. >>> >>>> This is just my .02$US, >>>> >>> >>> Thanks for sharing! >>> Mark Waite >>> > > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Developers" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to [email protected]. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-dev/46cbc074-c917-4dd3-b94e-953c1f08441en%40googlegroups.com. -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Developers" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to [email protected]. 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