Thanks for your feedback. The "you shouldn't worry" part is that the freestyle projects aren't going away, which Tyler & Stephen have already covered.
The way I read your comment is that you see the quality as the most important issue and when you see me talking about workflow, it rubs you in a wrong way because I am not talking about the quality. In other words, you are disagreeing with the prioritization, because if you really just didn't like workflow, all you need to do is to uninstall those plugins. Is that a fair way to summarize? I take your point that I haven't talked anything about the quality improvements. I don't have a solid idea of which part of that space we can realistically address, but I can imagine there are things we can do --- for example maybe our spending more effort into stabilizing acceptance test, taking on longevity testing, or perhaps adding an alternative transport for master/slave communication, etc. We should have a conversation like that indeed. 2015-10-28 11:28 GMT-07:00 Slide <slide.o....@gmail.com>: > Honestly, I'm kind of getting tired of hearing about how workflow will > solve all of my problems and cancer. I'm glad that people like it, but > honestly, for a new user of Jenkins, workflow is so overkill. It's great > having an option for people who are build engineers and whatnot, but please > don't overlook people who are tasked with setting up a build server and > have very little experience with code. I'm sure there are things being > worked on to make workflow easier, and that's great. I'm really considering > other tools at this point because of workflow being pushed so hard. I've > heard people say I shouldn't worry, but when you have several of the major > contributors looking at workflow and fatal issues like [1] and [2] around > for over a year affecting users, its pretty disheartening. > > 1 - https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-22853 > 2 - https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-23271 > > On Wed, Oct 28, 2015, 10:57 R. Tyler Croy <ty...@monkeypox.org> wrote: > >> >> I've posted this to the blog which I'm very excited about but is also >> relevant >> to this list: >> < >> http://jenkins-ci.org/content/jenkins-20-proposal-pipeline-code-front-and-center >> > >> >> Please see <https://issues.jenkins-ci.org/browse/JENKINS-31152> for >> comments/votes/etc >> >> >> - R. Tyler Croy >> >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> Code: <https://github.com/rtyler> >> Chatter: <https://twitter.com/agentdero> >> >> % gpg --keyserver keys.gnupg.net --recv-key 3F51E16F >> ------------------------------------------------------ >> >> -- >> You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups >> "Jenkins Users" group. >> To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an >> email to jenkinsci-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. >> To view this discussion on the web visit >> https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-users/20151028175559.GX2450%40blackberry.coupleofllamas.com >> . >> For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. >> > -- > You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups > "Jenkins Users" group. > To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an > email to jenkinsci-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. > To view this discussion on the web visit > https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-users/CAPiUgVfNuL0t8m9aM7UfT26yKARyL5bmbURDqRZp9qbQ7D8WMA%40mail.gmail.com > <https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-users/CAPiUgVfNuL0t8m9aM7UfT26yKARyL5bmbURDqRZp9qbQ7D8WMA%40mail.gmail.com?utm_medium=email&utm_source=footer> > . > > For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout. > -- Kohsuke Kawaguchi -- You received this message because you are subscribed to the Google Groups "Jenkins Users" group. To unsubscribe from this group and stop receiving emails from it, send an email to jenkinsci-users+unsubscr...@googlegroups.com. To view this discussion on the web visit https://groups.google.com/d/msgid/jenkinsci-users/CAN4CQ4yYkokdnf4bMfbihi0wVdJxqoMiBjmXsy0A%2Bzp1edJObw%40mail.gmail.com. For more options, visit https://groups.google.com/d/optout.
