[EMAIL PROTECTED] writes:
 > Yes, absolutely. This is a another big plus for the Eclipse route.
 > 
 > But where are the people saying "I don't WANT to download Eclipse just
 > to use the Jess developer's tools?"

What about emacs, *the* IDE framework for all time?

More seriously, I have to believe there are other people out there
besides myself who would not want to switch away from whatever system
they're using.  In my case that's emacs and it just so does so many
things for me that I wouldn't want to be sort of forced into
using/learning some other environment---integrated mail (in my case
with hooks into a design rationale system), CVS, formatting and
colorization, auto-completion, sophisticated and easy framing/window
control viewing, shell and execution prompts, X and dumb-terminal
access (there's got to be other people besides me who also spend some
time on machines with no graphics capability), etc.

I understand that I wouldn't really be forced into the other
environment, I just wouldn't be able to use the neat stuff.  For some
things that's fine---I can't see myself missing the graphical rule
editor.  But it would be neat if some other tools didn't require using
the IDE.  For example, if a syntax checker were written as a fast
command line program instead of being written into an IDE, then I
wouldn't have to load up the jvm/jess/app to look for errors and
anybody could use it through their favorite IDE by binding it to some
keys or a menu item.  You could probably have a plugin wrap it and
present the results nicely in Eclipse just as I could have a little
bit of elisp wrap it up and show me the results nicely in emacs.

-- 
- joe kopena

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