on 5/7/01 5:15 AM, "ingo schuster" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:

> At 13:07 05/07/01, Santiago Gala wrote:
>> Ivan Mikushin wrote:
>> 
>>> How about submitting a JSR on defining a generic Portlet API to Java
>>> Community Process?
> 
> As far as I now, Jon didn't like this idea when we spoke about it on the
> ApacheCon in London (or was it Stefano?). The reason was, that once you
> have a javax.portlet package, you are handing over the control to Sun...

Neither Stefano nor I like the idea. The JCP sucks balls. No matter how hard
Sun Execs try to say that the JCP is not Sun owned, the reality of it is
that it is.

> A standard however is a very good thing (for vendors as well as for
> customers) and obviousely what we at IBM would like to have.

These days, standards are simply marketing. Whomever has the most marketing
$ wins. That is why JSP is so popular and other *better* technologies are
losing. Sun doesn't advertise anything but what they come up with,
regardless of whether it sucks or not.

So, if you (IBM) publishes a Portlet Spec on the Jetspeed website and then
market the hell out of it and support it properly with a reference
implementation that is OSS (ie: Jetspeed), it will win.

-jon


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