True but...

In defense of these fellows who are dedicating their time to J2...
I have to say - first realize that until the JSR is finalized there are
legal implications; in particular the Non-Disclosure Agreement (NDA) to
consider.

I'd suggest anyone that really wanted earliest access could have joined the
JCP as an individual and self-nominated to themselves to the JSR-168.

The Pluto code base is under IBM's determination as to who can have access
as well as I suppose the JSR member organizations. So we can not beat-up on
the Jetspeed team for this since they have no control over the issue.

I'm not super familiar with the Apache PMO process, however I have been able
to find various information on the proposal in the J2 CVS and on the main
apache site - proposals, etc.

That said - I agree with the certain overtones of "closed'ness". Let's say
that if I donated enormous resources to Apache I might try to throw my
weight around a bit. I can't guess what the "behind the scenes" issues are -
but if you look at the voting minutes for the JCP there are political /
legal considerations it seems. The SCO/Linux pharse I'm sure also has every
company that contributes to open initiatives on their toes - double-checking
their "i"'s and crossing their "t"'s.

So I'd rather /thank/ those working the Pluto proposal and project, and the
jetspeed 2 project
- I'm sure they are frustrated in not being able to share what they got yet
as well.

It seems every week or so someone expresses these same frustrations (which I
share), but I don't see anything constructive by doing that.




> -----Original Message-----
> From: Endre Stolsvik [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Sent: Friday, September 26, 2003 3:57 AM
> To: Jetspeed Users List
> Subject: Re: Jetspeed2 planning
>
>
> On Thu, 25 Sep 2003, Weaver, Scott wrote:
>
> | From what I have heard, it's very close now.  I know, I know I have
> | said that before, but I have seen correspondence in Apache lately that
> | seem to point things actually being finalized.  What you might also find
> | interesting is that Pluto and Jetspeed may have a new home at
> | portals.apache.org, nothing is set in stone on that though.
>
> -Where- are these things going on?
>
> How much "behind the scenes" is to be expected from an -OPEN SOURCE-
> organization like Apache?
>
> Endre.
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