Hi, Douglas. I am using the latest Firefox with JAWS13.
Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com
  ----- Original Message ----- 
  From: douglas richard dexheimer 
  To: jfw@groups.io 
  Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 12:54 PM
  Subject: Re: problems with firefox plugins and sites using flash


  i use nvda with firefox; the latest jaws (13) that i was eligible for doesn't 
support firefox 40 or over.

  Sent from my iPhone

  On Dec 19, 2015, at 12:22 PM, Brad Martin <b...@formyfriends.org> wrote:


  I had read something that I can't put my finger on which has to do with JAWS 
and Flash. There's some security setting in Flash that conflicts with JAWS or 
something and causes these crashes. I haven't tested it, but I got the 
impression if we didn't have JAWS running the stream would work just fine.

  I've found that using Adblock (which no longer works with Firefox for the 
same reason other add-ons don't) and now Adblock Plus (which does work with 
Firefox) stopped those crashes for me.

  For what it's worth,
  Brad Martin




  On 12/19/2015 12:16 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote:

    How do i turn it off?  is there a workaround for flash to avoid the "adobe 
flash plugin crashed" message, and allow the music to play? 

    Douglas Richard Dexheimer 
    Chief of Braille Productions 
    Born-Again Productions 
    The Friedman Place, Apt.308 
    5527 N. Maplewood Ave. 
    Chicago, IL 60625 
    cell phone 913-244-0612 
    dricha...@earthlink.net 

    On 12/19/2015 12:09 PM, Farfar on Laptop wrote: 

      So to carry on, make sure to turn off the automatic updates in Firefox 
      before you get caught with version 43 or 44. 

      Dave Carlson 
      Oregonian, woodworker, Engineer, Musician, and Pioneer 

      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "Gerald Levy" <bwaylimi...@verizon.net> 
      To: <jfw@groups.io> 
      Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 10:06 AM 
      Subject: Re: problems with firefox plugins and sites using flash 



      No, this was not done in error, and it will not be corrected in a future 
      release, either, as I explained in my previous message.  Starting with 
      Firefox 43, Mozilla requires all add-ons to be signed for security 
reasons. 
      Webvisum is an unsigned third-party add-on that was abandoned years ago 
by 
      its developers who no longer even bother to respond to email inquiries, 
and 
      so it will not work with Firefox 43 unless you apply the temporary work 
      around I explained in my previous message.  So if you already have a 
working 
      version of Webvisum with an earlier release of Firefox, do not update to 
      Firefox 43.  Starting with Firefox 44 and the next release of Firefox 
ESR, 
      Webvisum will no longer work at all, no matter what you try, because this 
      temporary work around will be disabled or permenantly unflagged.  
Webvisum's 
      days are apparently numbered and except for Rumola, which is a paid 
service, 
      there is no other alternative for solving image captchas without sighted 
      help. 

      Gerald 



      -----Original Message----- 
      From: Bill White 
      Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 12:53 PM 
      To: jfw@groups.io 
      Subject: Re: problems with firefox plugins and sites using flash 

      You are correct. It appears that the latest Firefox update disabled 
several 
      AdOns for security reasons. One of these was WebVisum. This may have been 
      done in error, and may be corrected in a future update. 
      Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com 
      ----- Original Message ----- 
      From: "douglas richard dexheimer" <dricha...@earthlink.net> 
      To: <jfw@groups.io> 
      Sent: Saturday, December 19, 2015 9:39 AM 
      Subject: problems with firefox plugins and sites using flash 



        happy holidays all.  recently i've been experiencing adobe flash player 
        crashes on certain streaming audio sites.  it started last wednesday; 
i've 
        tried several different settings in about:config to see if this would 
fix 
        the issue.  sometimes it would, other times it wouldn't.  this crash 
        problem only applies to certain sites that use flash content, not all. 
        also the webvisum plugin no longer seems to work; i don't hear any 
popping 
        noises when loading a page in firefox.  i'm not sure which 
        about:configuration settings i need to make all web pages using flash 
        behave properly, or how to reactivate the webvisum plugin.  worse case 
        scenario: if i have to uninstall and reinstall firefox (43.0.1) to 
restore 
        default plugin settings, i wouldn't know where to find the download 
link 
        or file for reinstalling it; what about saving all my bookmarks and 
        passwords, so i won't have to start all over from scratch, or try to 
        select "forgot username/password" on pages where i don't remember those 
        credentials?  i know a tech savvy friend who lives here who could 
provide 
        some feedback.  thanks. 


        Douglas Richard Dexheimer 
        Chief of Braille Productions 
        Born-Again Productions 
        The Friedman Place, Apt.308 
        5527 N. Maplewood Ave. 
        Chicago, IL 60625 
        cell phone 913-244-0612 
        dricha...@earthlink.net 


        -------- Forwarded Message -------- 
        Subject: Re: latest Firefox version that supports adobe flash player 
        Date: Tue, 22 Sep 2015 07:02:31 -0700 
        From: Bill White <billwhite92...@dslextreme.com> 
        To: The Jaws for Windows support list. <j...@lists.the-jdh.com> 
        CC: douglas richard dexheimer <dricha...@earthlink.net> 

        Flash protected mode is a security feature for Firefox which is 
        implemented 
        by Adobe for Windows operating systems (Windows Vista/7/8 or above). 
This 
        feature is enabled by default, to make it difficult for attackers to 
        access 
        your computer. 



        Flash protected mode might cause Flash performance problems in Firefox, 
        such 
        as persistent hangs or plugin crashes. This is especially true for 
users 
        on 
        Windows touchscreen devices and for users who use accessibility tools. 



        You can turn off Flash protected mode by following these steps: 



        1. Press Control plus l to open the Location bar, type about:config and 
        press Enter. 



        . The about:config "This might void your warranty!" warning page may 
        appear. 
        Click I'll be careful, I promise! to continue to the about:config page. 



        2. Search for 

        dom.ipc.plugins.flash.disable-protected-mode 

        in the list of preferences. 



        3. Press Enter on the preference to toggle its value from false to 
true. 



        4. Press CONTROL plus W to close the about:config window. 



        5. Close Firefox, and re-launch Firefox for the new setting to take 
        effect. 

        Bill White billwhite92...@dslextreme.com 

        ----- Original Message ----- 
        From: "douglas richard dexheimer via Jfw" <j...@lists.the-jdh.com> 
        To: "The Jaws for Windows support list." <j...@lists.the-jdh.com> 
        Cc: "douglas richard dexheimer" <dricha...@earthlink.net> 
        Sent: Tuesday, September 22, 2015 5:32 AM 
        Subject: Re: latest Firefox version that supports adobe flash player 



          where do i find the checkbox to enable or disable flash protection? 

          Douglas Richard Dexheimer 
          Chief of Braille Productions 
          Born-Again Productions 
          The Friedman Place, Apt.308 
          5527 N. Maplewood Ave. 
          Chicago, IL 60625 
          cell phone 913-244-0612 
          dricha...@earthlink.net 

          On 9/21/2015 9:38 PM, Adrian Spratt via Jfw wrote: 

            Great sleuthing, astounding Adobe message. 

            -----Original Message----- 
            From: Jfw [mailto:jfw-boun...@lists.the-jdh.com] On Behalf Of 
Robert 
            Logue via Jfw 
            Sent: Monday, September 21, 2015 9:04 PM 
            To: The Jaws for Windows support list. 
            Cc: Robert Logue 
            Subject: Re: latest firefox version that supports adobe flash 
player 

            I'm curious about turning off Flash and why we should disable it. 
Didn't 
            know labels worked better in Youtube without it.  Thing is do we 
disable 
            or set to ask to activate? 

            I decided to look in to this.  Found a checkbox for Flash in 
Firefox 
            that wasn't labeled so I read more and found something we should 
know 
            about.  I'll paste it below without comment. 

            Adobe Flash protected mode in Firefox | Firefox Help 


            (Redirected from 
            Enable Flash Protected Mode Settings on Firefox) 

            Flash protected mode 
                is a security feature for Firefox which is implemented by Adobe 
for 
            Windows operating systems (Windows Vista/7/8 or above). This 
feature is 
            enabled by 
            default, to make it difficult for attackers to access your 
computer. 

            Flash protected mode might cause Flash performance problems in 
Firefox, 
            such as persistent hangs or plugin crashes. This is especially true 
for 
            users on 
            Windows touchscreen devices and for users who use accessibility 
tools. 



            On 9/21/2015 6:50 PM, Brad Martin via Jfw wrote: 

              No, it's not a security issue. Like I said, if you had said you 
were 
              getting an error that Flash was disabled, that would have been 
the 
              problem. 

              I have noticed that Firefox seems to crash a bit with video 
embedded 
              sites lately. Honestly, what I've found that helped me was 
installing 
              an add-on called Adblock. I installed it at the recommendation of 
a 
              friend, but when I did, almost all my crashing problems stopped. 
You 
              can download it at www.getadblock.com if you want it. It has 
fixed 
              most of my issues. 

              Brad 

              On 9/20/2015 10:15 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote: 

                I can still listen to the stations or videos in question on my 
                iphone; sometimes when I get a crash message in FF (on my win7 
                computer using nvda) I try the link in my ot her 
browsers--sometimes 
                it works, other times not.  other browsers may get 
unresponsive, or 
                show the controls but no sound is heard from the embedded 
player. 
                I'll get a message like "embedded object unavailable."  why 
would 
                flash's security diminish with later versions of firefox--i.e., 
why 
                did those sites work in earlier ff versions on my older windows 
xp 
                computer, but not in the current version on my new windows 7 
machine? 

                Douglas Richard Dexheimer 
                Chief of Braille Productions 
                Born-Again Productions 
                The Friedman Place, Apt.308 
                5527 N. Maplewood Ave. 
                Chicago, IL 60625 
                cell phone 913-244-0612 
                dricha...@earthlink.net 

                On 9/20/2015 9:28 PM, Brad Martin wrote: 

                  Sorry you didn't get my response from a few days ago. Trying 
again... 

                  What I wrote regarding Firefox 40.0.3 was: 

                  That should work. I thought you were going to say the buttons 
weren't 
                  reading for you correctly, because that is often the case 
with 
                  Firefox. 
                  Flash reads 
                  better with Internet Explorer. If you're getting a message 
that 
                  Flash is 
                  disabled, it suggests that there is a security flaw in Flash 
and 
                  Firefox 
                  is blocking 
                  access to it until Adobe releases a patched version of Flash. 
If it's 
                  crashing, that's a beast of another color. 


                  Brad 
                  b...@formyfriends.org 


                  On 9/20/2015 8:58 PM, douglas richard dexheimer via Jfw 
wrote: 

                    did anyone get this yet?  I've gotten no response so far. 

                    Douglas Richard Dexheimer 
                    Chief of Braille Productions 
                    Born-Again Productions 
                    The Friedman Place, Apt.308 
                    5527 N. Maplewood Ave. 
                    Chicago, IL 60625 
                    cell phone 913-244-0612 
                    dricha...@earthlink.net 

                    On 9/15/2015 3:22 PM, douglas richard dexheimer wrote: 

                      using firefox 40.0.3; what is the latest version that 
supports 
                      afp?  on 
                      some websites that use flash content (youtube, spotify, 
live365, 
                      video 
                      streaming sites with embedded objects or players, etc.) I 
get a 
                      popup 
                      saying the adobe flash plug-in has crashed.  the same 
site may or 
                      may 
                      not work on other browsers such as IE, chrome or webbIE. 
                      uninstalling 
                      and reinstalling afp didn't improve things.  thanks for 
your 
                      feedback. 


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