Hello, Dennis. It's a good thing I haven't tried writing that script yet,
I'm even more confused then I was before.-:) I will see if I can get
someone to help me out in wrting a frame before I tackle that I guess.
Thank you for your assistance, I'm usually pretty good about getting
programs to talk that don't, butthis one is the most anoying one I've used
so far.-:)
Thanks again,
=Beth=
=Beth Hatch-Alleyne=
Justice Means Not Just Us.
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From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 6:12 PM
Subject: Re: Problem Reading Database Screens with JFW 3.2.31
>Yes, the fields have a control id and a handle, but the control id is
>different every time the screen is loaded, and the handle is the same for
>all fields on that page! A simple script to read the field's label, then
>it's contents is easy enough, but only if all the fields had their labels
in
>the same location in relation to the field, and they all have a specific
>number of words within that label. For example, if the fields were:
>Company:________________
>Last:________________
>First:______________
>Address1:______________
>
>A script for that would be pretty easy, but what if you have multiple words
>per label, and multiple fields per line, and the labels were in different
>places in relation to it's field contents, such as above the field, or to
>the right of the field:
>Company Name:_________________ Voice phone:______________
>Last Name:___________________ Fax:_______________
>First Nane:_____________ Pager:_______________
>Bill Tok:
>____________________
>______________
>____________
>Ship to:
>______________
>____________
>___________
>Credit Card number: ___________________________
>Expires:_____________________
>
>
>What do you do to get the field name read whenever you move into that
>particular field, regardless if that name is to the left, above, or right
of
>the contents, and regardless whether it is a single word name, or two or
>three words to that name.
>You can't trigger on the field's control id, since it is different each
time
>the screen is loaded; nor can you use the field's handle, since it is the
>same for all the Edit fields on this screen.
>You can't use "SayField" since it reads across the entire screen, and
>restricting the cursor will only restrict you to the edit field, and shut
>out the label.
>The only method I've found is to set a frame around each field that
>surrounds the field's label as the field's data area, then assign the
>"SayFrameAtCursor" to the Tab and Shift+Tab keys, since these keys are used
>to move from field to field.
>
>Is there a means of having the control id static, and/or the handle
>different with each field, but static?
>ASAW and Window-Eyes somewhat read the labels automatically, but I can't
get
>JFW to do the same.
>
>Thanks,
>Dennis Brown
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>
>
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Sheldon Marchand <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: [EMAIL PROTECTED] <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Date: Monday, January 18, 1999 10:41 AM
>Subject: Re: Problem Reading Database Screens with JFW 3.2.31
>
>
>>
>> Hi, I think your best bet if the programmers will not add your
>>descriptions, etc is to write a JAWS script. Every item on a Window has a
>id
>>number.
>> I just learning about Oracle in College now, If the fields are in some
>>order couldn't you write out the order and then just tab to each one?
>> Won't they have some label or something to tell the user what does
into
>>that field? I know for example in one of the dialog boxes in a program
have
>>fields that just said edit. With a small script I was able to get it to
>read
>>the label beside the edit box.
>>
>> If you don't get any answers from anyone else, send me a E-Mail and I
>>try to help you. One helpful thing you could do, which would give me a
>>better idea of what the database that you enter the information into,
would
>>be a screen capture. If you load up your database where you enter into the
>>fields, and then press the "Print Scrn" key ( To the left of Scroll Lock )
>>and then paste it into Paint or MS word and E-Mail it to me. Then I would
>be
>>able to see how they have set it up.
>>
>> If you have any questions about writing script's and that, let me
know.
>>
>>Sheldon
>>[EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
>>-----Original Message-----
>>From: Beth Hatch-Alleyne <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>To: JAWS List <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>>Date: Sunday, January 17, 1999 2:49 PM
>>Subject: Problem Reading Database Screens with JFW 3.2.31
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Hi, friends. My employer has upgraded its help desk database and now
>>JFW 3.2.31 will not work with it, though the newest patch would make no
>>difference with this anyhow.
>>
>> I had the same problem sometime back with the first version of the
>Xerox
>>database. I was able to resolve the problem by putting a frame around the
>>field descriptions in the status bar.
>>
>> Unfortunately, when the programmers upgraded the database two screens
>>have the status line descriptions, and one does not. This means I cannot
>>enter new files into the system withouta lot of sighted assistance or I
>>must have someone retype in the information I have put into Braille or
>>produced in another format. This particular screen has about 25 required
>>fields, depending on the type of service for the customer. It is where
one
>>enters the type of printer, and the type of service requested, repair,
tech
>>help over the phone, sending out a replacement part or driver diskette,
>etc.
>>
>> I am a very very new script writer. I have begun going through Ken's
>>script manual, but since I can only experiment with the database at work,
>>this process is taking too long as my managers want me back on the phone
or
>>answering customer e-mail. This means more and more Braile paper files
>have
>>to be created and I have to ask someone else to get off the phone to enter
>>my information into the database, or i have to print out or e-mail it to
>>them. After all this effort, I don't know if a script would work.
>>
>> JAWS cannot tell me the labels for the edit boxes where information
>>goes in the new products screen for the labels for these are not standard.
>>They either use icons which are not spoken when pressing tab, or there are
>>no labels at all. "edit" is the only thing I hear when pressing the tab
>key.
>>Reclassing the windows does no good. The database is in Oracle with a
>Power
>>Builder front end and then some kind of interface that Xerox uses on top
of
>>this. I have speech, Dectalk Access 32 and Braille, an ALVA 3 80 cell
>>display. On the two screens that do work, I can use the cursor touch pad
>on
>>the Braille display to simulate a click or double click because there are
>>labels here. Some work only with Braille, while others only can be heard
>>through JAWS. It took trial and error to figure out which label is for
>>which field, but that part works for the two introductory screens.
>>
>> The last screen that gives me problems has no text labels, but has
some
>>icons. I have maximized prompt detect and labeled all these graphics.
>>Still, all JFW says is "edit."
>>
>> The programmers consider my problem with access a "low priority" so I
>>have no idea if or when someone will add status field descriptions. How
>can
>>one establish the window handles or controls when there are no text
lables,
>>is this possible?
>>
>> I have some knowledge of SQL so I thought I might be able to make an
MS
>>Access database with all the appropriate tables and fields, but this would
>>seem to take as much time as the JAWS script learning.
>>
>> Any suggestions about how I could make this work? I think my job
might
>>be on the line depending on what decision is made about adding the status
>>descriptions. This kind of thing really annoys me, the database is using
>>non-standard windows design, I have ben told i'm very productive at work,
>>but this software puts my job in jeopardy. Besides sending the
programmers
>>some info on making software accessible and working with them on how to
>make
>>the thing more speech friendly, does anyone have any other suggestions?
>>
>>Thanks,
>>
>>=Beth=
>>=Beth Hatch-Alleyne=
>>Justice Means Not Just Us.
>>E-mail: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>>
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