You have a point.  Of course, if you've been reading my other postings, 
you know I've been taking HJ to task for not being compatible, to the 
best of my knowledge, with much of any developer software.  In this day 
of the ADA, it seems to me that screen readers need to be more 
compatible with work-a-day software, such as development tools, since 
blind people have just as many brains to develop with as sighted 
people...and in some cases, perhaps more!

>From: "Krister Ekstrom" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Subject: Inaccessible programs, was Re: Solitaire
>Date: Fri, 19 Mar 1999 19:21:30 +0100
>When you're speaking about inaccessible programs, why not 
>mencion Ding!. Ding! is something like ICQ, it should do almost the 
>same things, only it is i believe written in Java. I couldn't figure 
>how to work with the program and the buttons were pictures that 
>jfw was unable to recognize, it didn't even see the buttons.
>On 18 Mar 99, at 10:53, Charles Lott spoke thussly:
>> As I have already pointed out, the problem is that any screen reader 
>> doesn't make the whole computing panoply accessible is ultimately not
>> worth a hill of beans.
>> >From: [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve Matzura)
>> >Subject: Re: Solitaire
>> >Date: Thu, 18 Mar 1999 03:58:04 GMT
>> >
>> >I think that's a very nice gesture on your part, however I think 
>> >more interested in compiling a list of programs that just plain 
>> >work, scripts or no scripts, with JFW.  Please don't forget to 
>> >the Showtime Online air guide and, unless they've done something 
>> >it, the Grollier's Multi-Media Encyclopedia is pretty useless unless 
>> >know the layout of the screen and where things are that you can't 
>> >ANother one's Rockettalk, where the buttons on the left side of the
>> >screen are totally JFW-invisible.  ANother one's our favorite 
>> >which the people who wrote it don't seem interested in changing, so 
>> >HJ can figure a way in to that one.
>> >
>> >On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 20:28:59 -0500, you wrote:
>> >
>> >>
>> >>    I would be happy to setup that list. What would a good name be?
>> >Also
>> >>once we start this list, I would be happy to spend a few hours of 
>> >time
>> >>each week, writing scripts for some programs. Send your 
>> >>
>> >>Sheldon
>> >>JFD mailing list at [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>-----Original Message-----
>> >>From: Charles Lott <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>Date: Wednesday, March 17, 1999 7:46 PM
>> >>Subject: Re: Solitaire
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>That sounds like a cherry idea...How do we go about doing that.  If
>> >it's
>> >>set up, I assure you I'll subscribe to it.  This would be great 
>> >for
>> >>JFW users and for HJ.
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>>From: David Edick <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >>>Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >>>Subject: Re: Solitaire
>> >>>Date: Tue, 16 Mar 1999 18:51:38 -0800
>> >>>
>> >>>what about compiling a list of people and subscribing the
>> >>>"suggestions@hj" address so every thing we post to the list,
>> >everyone
>> >>who
>> >>>is interested can see what programs have been suggested. let me 
>> >>when
>> >>>you get this list up.
>> >>>
>> >>>On Wed, 17 Mar 1999 00:38:09 GMT [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Steve
>> >Matzura)
>> >>>writes:
>> >>>>That's great that you got another program to do this.  The only
>> >>>>program I've seen do it reliably is Windows Bridge, which was my
>> >first
>> >>>>Windows screenreader before JFW V1.05 was released.  Now, we know
>> >>>>we're not supposed to be playing Solitaire at work now, do we 
not? But
>> >>>>it's still fun, and I'm with you, I still wish JFW would work
>> >with
>> >>>>it and other such card games.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>I think somebody should start a list of programs that we all 
>> >(or
>> >>>>wish) JFW would work with, but doesn't.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On my wish list is also a sit-down with the JFW programmers to
>> >explain
>> >>>>why it is that it can read some things and not others, and why
>> >other
>> >>>>software seemws to be able to do what, in certain specific cases,
>> >JFW
>> >>>>cannot.  Anybody game for compiling such a list?
>> >>>>
>> >>>>On Tue, 16 Mar 1999 15:08:59 EST, you wrote:
>> >>>>
>> >>>>>Hi!
>> >>>>>
>> >>>>>Has anyone out there found a practical way to make JFW work with
>> >>>>Windows
>> >>>>>Solitaire?  Window-Eyes will read the cards, but JFW won't.
>> >Indeed,
>> >>>>I
>> >>>>>can't get JFW to even recognize the cards as graphics.  JFW 
>> >>>>>however, read the score if you're set to "all" using Insert+S.
>> >>>>
>> >>>>-
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>> >>>>
>> >>>
>> >>>From: David Edick<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>,
>> >>>see the new JFW-ICQ  list at:
>> >
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>> >>>
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