this is discussting, this list is to help people with JFW issues, not to
hurl insults. maybe nick should shut it down, or maybe HJ should if this
"junk" continues. maybe that is why the other JFW list was started?
On Tue, 23 Mar 1999 07:38:36 +1000 Aaron Howell <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
writes:
>Bwahahahaha, typical american sue-the-pants-off-everything-that-moves
>type attitude.
>You're getting rediculous.
>It has already been pointed out to you on numerous occasions that you
>_can_ archive jaws.
>You can do it as many times and as freely as you like.
>You can't copy the key disk however. This is just the same as you
>can't copy a dongle, or any other form of copy protection device -
>thats the point.
>The cases you sight bare absolutely zero relevance in this situation.
>The Vault vs Quaid case proves that software vendors have the right to
>sell software that will back up software for which you own the
>license.
>Nowhere does it mention that software companies do not have the right
>to copy protect software in any way, shape or form.
>You're reading more into the decision than you ought.
>Having said that, if you can come up with a way to copy the auth disk,
>then go ahead and do so.
>Providing you do it only for archival purposes you are within your
>rights.
>This legal stuff is just getting way too stupid.
>Either come up with some constructive ideas or shut up.
>Suing HJ is counter-productive of course, if you'd thought about your
>last post you'd know that.
>Regards
>Aaron
>On Mon, Mar 22, 1999 at 10:45:35AM -0500, Charles Lott wrote:
>> Hey, guys:
>>
>> I promise you, this is my swan song. Fact is, there is something
>you
>> could do, but I admit it's drastic. Based on the information
>contained
>> in the Web article I posted yesterday, you could actually sue HJ, or
>any
>> other vendor, for preempting a right established both in the
>copyright
>> statute and in case law...the right to archive. It seems to me, as
>I
>> think it through, that if you have the right to archive, that
>preempts
>> and interdicts any right of a vendor to prevent archiving through
>copy
>> protection. I don't know whether that specific question has ever
>been
>> litigated, but the outcome sure would be interesting. In summary,
>the
>> point is that your right to archive and the vendor's right to
>> copy-protect cannot coexist; so in the kind of suit I would suggest
>
>> (which, incidentally, should be class action), the courts would be
>> forced to decid once and for all which right takes precedence. I
>would
>> gladly put forth that we must live with that decision, whichever way
>it
>> might go.
>>
>> Goodby!
>>
>>
>> >From: "Hutson" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Reply-To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
>> >To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>> >Subject: Re: jfw authorization disk
>> >Date: Sun, 21 Mar 1999 20:44:07 -0600
>> >
>> >Come on guys. There's nothing we can do to change HJ's opinion of
>the
>> >authorization disks & we can sit & complain till we are blue in the
>
>> face
>> >which I think we are. go to the chatroom that has been set up for
>this
>> kind
>> >of fussing & lets clear the list. I think theback logs are full of
>this
>> kind
>> >of discussion & don't think it has helped one bit.
>> >Server name is:
>> >irc.scscorp.net
>> >Room is:
>> >#JAWS
>> >If no one is there encourage others to jin youat certain times &
>build
>> this
>> >room up.
>> >Rhonda Hutson
>> >
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