You are missing me. You do not lose the Virtual cursor. By turning it off
in Config manager, all that is required is one keystroke, that's one and
only one, namely insert-z to gain the functionality it affords. Any time
you press that keystroke, the Virtual cursor will turn on. It will turn
off whenever you switch out of and back into Outlook Express or most likely
when it is currently turning off or whatever you say is happening.
I don't know how to explain this any differently. At present all the
config files have the Virtual cursor turned on. It is the equivalent of
walking into a house and finding that the builder has left a stereo on
because he believes you'll enjoy the benefits provided by the music. When
you want the stereo (equivalent to the V-cursor) off, you tap Insert-z.
What I hear you saying is that finding the house with the stereo always on
until you ask to turn it off is causing you problems. All I'm suggesting
is that you alter the default and have the stereo turned off until you
specifically ask for it on. I'm not saying you'll lose all this
functionality. Quite frankly on Sundays I take 20 seconds, turn off the
v-cursor by default and browse over to http://www.nfl.com where I read game
updates. I leave the v-cursor off because the page is reloading about
every 30 seconds and I've found it is faster to read the areas I want with
the Jaws cursor. But when I want to read something else on the web, it is
a single insert-z and zippity-zap the v-cursor is back on by default.
I'm dearly sorry if you are misunderstanding what I'm saying. To repeat,
turning off the Virtual PC cursor in config manager does not, that's a
*huge DOES NOT, mean you have lost the ability to use it. It simply and
only means you must specifically request to use the feature with one,
that's one as in single, keystroke of insert-z.
Kelly
At 09:33 PM 12/24/99 -0500, you wrote:
>O k. you have won on the firstp oint. What i said badly--of course-- was
>the Netscape users had problems "with JAWs going crazy" just as
>Outlook express users using virtual cursor had similar problmes. those
>problems occurred when deleting messages in a long list of messages in
>either program and involved one huge loss of focus problem. In my case, I
>could avoid said massive problems by tryping to keep the virtual cursor
>turned "off". but to return to my point means that I and others miss out on
>all those nice benefits ofthe virtual cursor--which can comei n handy. So
>we face a rotten choice.
>We can (1) have a nice stable experience using Outlook Express without
>losing our work when system crashes when JAWS misreads multiple subject
>lines (JAWS going crazy) or (2) never use the virtual cursor--even
>when such usage would help us out. so if we get a "whim" or "on the fly"
>wish to suddenly make use of the virtual cursor--"we made our choice ahead
>of time when **we turned it off in config Manager.
>So that means we lose out on both accounts.
>That is why a toggle switch would let me cruise through the e-mail messages
>without having something in the m s a a or in JAWS lock my system or
>misread or double read subject lines--and then-- "when I want to--I would
>have the freedom to choose to use the virtual cursor. In the current
>circumstance, since "having JAWS go crazy" and misread those subject lines
>is such a horrible experience--I am forced to have my choice taken away from
>me---I must "go without" the virtual cursor and its benefits.
>That is the choice I face.
>Sir, your comments are well taken and always brilliant.
>
>----- Original Message -----
>From: Kelly Ford <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
>Sent: Friday, December 24, 1999 4:15 PM
>Subject: Re: no more top and bottom of window message?
>
>
> > What the heck are you talking about that the virtual cursor comes on in
> > Netscape. That comes about to as close to an impossibility as I've heard
> > in a while. Netscape has no support for the technology used to make the
> > Virtual PC cursor work so it will never be on in that program. Hitting
> > insert-z if Netscape is running will announce things like it is being
> > toggled but you can press the PC cursor as often as you like in Netscape
> > and it will likely never say Virtual PC cursor.
> >
> > Until or if HJ has a better idea on this, I'd strongly suggest entering
>the
> > config manager for the programs where you are unhappy with current
> > behavior. Turn the Virtual PC Cursor off there and turn it on only when
> > you want to use it with Insert-z.
> >
> > I say this not to dismiss what you are asking for. But to give solutions
> > today to what you seem to be saying is a major problem for you.
> >
> > A good script writer, of which I don't lay claim to be, could probably
> > create a script to store the Virtual PC cursor setting in a variable and
> > have that variable checked when an application was alt-tabbed into and out
> > of and honor the setting. This would work similar to what HJ already does
> > when you first launch an application and hear the introductory messages
>but
> > as you switch in and out of the program don't hear them repeated. I tried
> > to create such a script but my ability to express in words what should
> > happen is a bit better than my ability to use the script features to their
> > fullest advantage at this time.
> >
> >
> > -
> > Visit the jfw ml web page: http://jfw.cjb.net
> >
>
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