Hi, I don't want to pick on Andrew in particular but his paragraph is a great summary of the sad state of this discussion:
> I don't think that's practical Interesting, waiting for a real, practical, technical reason not to do that. > many worried expressions Err, what? So something is impractical because people are worried? I'm sure they're worried because they think it's impractical. > code that works on JDK 8 today will not work on JDK 9 tomorrow, > yet no advance warning of this change was given in JDK 8 So twenty years of claiming internal APIs are internal and subject to change[1] was not enough? Two years of this change being announced was no enough? One more year of Java 8 is not enough? A simple flag to make it work is not enough? so long ... Nicolai [1] http://web.archive.org/web/19980215011039/http://java.sun.com/products/jdk/faq/faq-sun-packages.html On 19.05.2017 14:54, Andrew Haley wrote: > On 19/05/17 11:11, Peter Levart wrote: >> On 05/19/2017 01:17 AM, Nicolai Parlog wrote: >>> With illegal access being permitted by default much fewer developers >>> will be aware of the problem and much less pressure will be put on >>> library and framework maintainers as well as on project management to >>> invest into paying back this particular form of technical debt. So we >>> get much less momentum to make the necessary changes in exchange for... >>> not having to add a flag? That's ridiculous, an Armutszeugnis[2] for the >>> Java community! >> >> +1 >> >> I think that --illegal-access=permit-silently or equivalent is a >> reasonable request (in addition to other modes), but please make the >> --illegal-access=deny the default! > > I don't think that's practical because, as Mark Reinhold put it, "the > strong encapsulation of JDK-internal APIs has, in particular, > triggered many worried expressions of concern that code that works on > JDK 8 today will not work on JDK 9 tomorrow, yet no advance warning of > this change was given in JDK 8." > > Andrew. > -- PGP Key: http://keys.gnupg.net/pks/lookup?op=vindex&search=0xCA3BAD2E9CCCD509 Web: http://codefx.org a blog about software development https://www.sitepoint.com/java high-quality Java/JVM content http://do-foss.de Free and Open Source Software for the City of Dortmund Twitter: https://twitter.com/nipafx
