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Andrew commented on KAFKA-8315:
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[~ableegoldman] Right, I see what you mean, this loop only goes until the head 
is found 
[https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/trunk/streams/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/streams/processor/internals/RecordQueue.java#L158.]
 We do have out of order data in our real data streams, however, it looks like 
you are right that it shouldn't affect my {{join-example}} demo, which 
reproduces the issue with only ordered data. Any further ideas on why the 
{{join-example}} doesnt work?

> Cannot pass Materialized into a join operation - hence cant set retention 
> period independent of grace
> -----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: KAFKA-8315
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-8315
>             Project: Kafka
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: streams
>            Reporter: Andrew
>            Assignee: John Roesler
>            Priority: Major
>         Attachments: code.java
>
>
> The documentation says to use `Materialized` not `JoinWindows.until()` 
> ([https://kafka.apache.org/22/javadoc/org/apache/kafka/streams/kstream/JoinWindows.html#until-long-]),
>  but there is no where to pass a `Materialized` instance to the join 
> operation, only to the group operation is supported it seems.
>  
> Slack conversation here : 
> [https://confluentcommunity.slack.com/archives/C48AHTCUQ/p1556799561287300]
> [Additional]
> From what I understand, the retention period should be independent of the 
> grace period, so I think this is more than a documentation fix (see comments 
> below)



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