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Alexey Osipov commented on KAFKA-6599:
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Stepped into this bug recently using kafka version 2.7.0.

The point I want to emphasize is that this bug is not only connected with 
oldValue propagation. The thing I'm concerned most is, when caching enabled, 
KTable-KTable join produces incorrect result in case both A and B are set to 
null in a short time frame.

Here is the expected timeline for join result updates given the A and B values:
||Timestamp||A||B||A join B||
|0|null|null|null|
|1|A| |(no change - still null)|
|2| |B|AB|
|3|null| |null|

 Here is what I see in reality when caching enabled:
||Timestamp||A||B||A join B||
|0|null|null|null|
|1|A| |(no change - still null)|
|2| |B|AB|
|3|null| |{color:#FF0000}(no change - still AB){color}|
|4| |null|{color:#FF0000}(no change - still AB){color}|
|5| | |{color:#FF0000}(no change - still AB){color}|
|6| | |{color:#FF0000}...{color}|

 The problem is that "null" updates in timestamps 3 and 4 are got cached. When 
"commit.interval.ms" expires, those nulls start propagation downstream. In 
"org.apache.kafka.streams.kstream.internals.KTableKTableInnerJoin.KTableKTableJoinProcessor#process",
 when A's "null" update is processed, it tries to get value of B for the same 
key by calling "valueGetter.get(key)". That call returns null, because B's 
value for the same key is already "null" (*cached*). Since B is null, 
downstream propagation doesn't happen:

 
{noformat}
if (valueRight == null) {
    return;
}{noformat}
Same thing happens when B's "null" update is processed. It does lookup for A's 
value, it returns null from cache, and propagation doesn't happen.

 

*Without any further activity in A and B on that key, "A join B" permanently 
remains "AB" (while it should be null).*

CC [~damianguy] [~mjsax] Not sure if this is you guys who I should ping on 
this, I just found your names in similar tickets (KAFKA-4609, KAFKA-9916). 
Please redirect this information to whoever you think is appropriate. Thanks!

> KTable KTable join semantics violated when caching enabled
> ----------------------------------------------------------
>
>                 Key: KAFKA-6599
>                 URL: https://issues.apache.org/jira/browse/KAFKA-6599
>             Project: Kafka
>          Issue Type: Bug
>          Components: streams
>            Reporter: Jan Filipiak
>            Priority: Critical
>              Labels: bug
>
> Say a tuple A,B got emmited after joining and the delete for A goes into the 
> cache. After that the B record would be deleted aswell. B's join processor 
> would look up A and see `null` while computing for old and new value (at this 
> point we can execute joiner with A beeing null and still emit something, but 
> its not gonna represent the actual oldValue) Then As cache flushes it doesn't 
> see B so its also not gonna put a proper oldValue. The output can then not be 
> used for say any aggregate as a delete would not reliably find its old 
> aggregate where it needs to be removed from filter will also break as it 
> stopps null,null changes from propagating. So for me it looks pretty clearly 
> that Caching with Join breaks KTable semantics. be it my new join or the 
> currently existing once.
>  
> this if branch here
> [https://github.com/apache/kafka/blob/1.0/streams/src/main/java/org/apache/kafka/streams/state/internals/CachingKeyValueStore.java#L155]
> is not usefull. I think its there because when one would delegate the true 
> case to the underlying. One would get proper semantics for streams, but the 
> weiredest cache I've seen.
>  



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