> -----Original Message-----
> From: dank [mailto:dank] On Behalf Of Dan Kegel
> Sent: Tuesday, March 26, 2002 7:27 PM
> To: [EMAIL PROTECTED]
> Subject: re: Using Avalon
> 
> 
> I tried recently to understand Avalon.  I was looking
> for an FTP server written in Java, and the best one 
> I found mentioned that it was now the basis for the FTP
> server demo for Avalon.

We have several CVS directories.  Try the one in
jakarta-avalon-apps--you should find it there.


> I tried to find it, and failed.  The Avalon docs are
> so wordy, obtuse, pattern-obsessed, and self-important
> that I wanted to vomit.  

Gee, thanks.  Perhaps you would like to volunteer?

You can't understand a framework until you understand what
the thought processes are in that framework.  Before I
started writing most of that documentation, we kept answering
the same questions over and over again.  Guess what!  The
documentation represents the type of questions we had to
answer.  If you think you can do better, I invite you
to do so.  Personally, I have received far more compliments
for the docs than I have negative comments.  Furthermore,
I have also received constructive criticism (which I respond
to much better, BTW) and the docs have changed to represent
that view.

As a general rule, when you spew unhelpful comments like
that, you hinder good documentation rather than help it.
Documentation writing is a thankless job--don't bad-mouth
people who actually do it (especially if you are not willing
to take their place).


> There may be some good stuff in Avalon, but they
> need to shoot their doc writer and start over, IMHO.
> - Dan


See, that kind of negativity doesn't help.  Try constructive
criticism, it does miracles.

BTW, They need to shoot the people who make mean spirited
comments and start over.  (Doesn't really sound nice does it?)


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