that's definitely a good thing to do. in either case, I still don't know which way is better to go. it seems like the guys who start jcharts are also apache guys.
peter On 8/8/05, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I don't see why we can't include the link in the JMeter documentation. > > We already do this for BeanShell, I think. > > S. > On 08/08/05, Michael Stover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Couldn't we have a page on the wiki or somewhere that provided a list of > > links to the third-party jars JMeter can use optionally? Maybe it's not > > allowed to link directly to the jar file, but surely we can link to a > > download page of BSF, BSH, JCharts, JSSE, JavaMail, etc? > > > > -Mike > > > > On Mon, 2005-08-08 at 13:31 -0400, Peter Lin wrote: > > > right, but I would like to avoid asking users to download yet another > > > jar lib. seems like such a hassle for users to have to go find the > > > jar file and download it. > > > > > > perhaps this would be better as a sourceforge project that just plugs > > > in to jmeter or reuses jmeter components. > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > On 8/8/05, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > I'm not saying we should not write code to use JCharts, just that we > > > > should not distribute the jar. > > > > > > > > For example, the BeanShell jar is optional, but the code exists to use > > > > it. > > > > Likewise we don't (can't) redistribute mail.jar and activation.jar. > > > > > > > > Needs a bit of care to ensure that the code behaves sensibly if the > > > > jar is missing at run-time, but otherwise is not all that difficult. > > > > > > > > Any JMeter code that uses JCharts should be in a separate jar if not > > > > application anyway. > > > > > > > > S. > > > > On 08/08/05, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > in that case, would it be better to write our own chart/graph ? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > On 8/8/05, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > I can't see any benefit of including JCharts in the JMeter zips or > > > > > > CVS > > > > > > - if people want to use it, they can download the jar for > > > > > > themselves, > > > > > > and be sure of getting the latest. > > > > > > > > > > > > We should just provide any necessary instructions, eg in the extras > > > > > > directory. > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 08/08/05, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > that's a good point. I didn't think that far. I suppose we can > > > > > > > always > > > > > > > have 2 downloads: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > 1. jmeter normal > > > > > > > 2. jmeter with reporting > > > > > > > > > > > > > > of course, this assumes I do a decent job on the reporting > > > > > > > component > > > > > > > and people actually want to use it. I think jcharts uses apache > > > > > > > style > > > > > > > license, but I'll make sure. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/8/05, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > Agreed we can't at present include LGPL jars in JMeter > > > > > > > > distributions. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Even with JCharts, I wonder whether the jar should be included > > > > > > > > with > > > > > > > > JMeter, as not everyone will need the functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > S. > > > > > > > > On 08/08/05, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > Since JasperReports is LGPL, we can't really use it. I took a > > > > > > > > > look > > > > > > > > > around and it looks like jcharts provides some good > > > > > > > > > functionality. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > http://jcharts.sourceforge.net/ > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I already started working on the GUI and framework part of > > > > > > > > > it. Most of > > > > > > > > > the design tries to stay close to current JMeter design > > > > > > > > > patterns and > > > > > > > > > conventions. I plan to check something into CVS HEAD at the > > > > > > > > > end of the > > > > > > > > > week. Should I check it into the new Subversion instead? > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/05, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > I was think to write/configure the report settings. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/05, Michael Stover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > I'm not sure what the point of the gui is. Although it's > > > > > > > > > > > nice to show a > > > > > > > > > > > report gui, there are other tools for that. I'm thinking > > > > > > > > > > > these report > > > > > > > > > > > generators are essentially creating output for > > > > > > > > > > > excel/staroffice/jasperreports/image viewers/etc - not > > > > > > > > > > > for JMeter. A > > > > > > > > > > > gui in JMeter could assist to control command-line > > > > > > > > > > > parameters to the > > > > > > > > > > > report generator, but that's it, IMO. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I just don't want to get JMeter into the business of > > > > > > > > > > > being report > > > > > > > > > > > viewing software. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 13:44 -0400, Peter Lin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > JCharts uses apache style license, so we can use that > > > > > > > > > > > > for the charts > > > > > > > > > > > > and graphs. in terms of reports, it might be nice to > > > > > > > > > > > > have a separate > > > > > > > > > > > > reporting GUI. Though I was thinking of taking the easy > > > > > > > > > > > > way out and > > > > > > > > > > > > have it be a normal jmeter plugin that loads in the > > > > > > > > > > > > same gui > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/05, Michael Stover <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > Yay Apache and licensing issues... > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > It sounds to me like a reporting framework should not > > > > > > > > > > > > > be linked to > > > > > > > > > > > > > JMeter's gui in any way - it serves no purpose. What > > > > > > > > > > > > > is needed is an > > > > > > > > > > > > > extendable framework for writing reporting components > > > > > > > > > > > > > that take a .jtl > > > > > > > > > > > > > file and convert it to whatever report a user wants. > > > > > > > > > > > > > Running this tool > > > > > > > > > > > > > should be simple and not tied to JMeter itself > > > > > > > > > > > > > (though a menu option to > > > > > > > > > > > > > run a report on a jtl would be good). > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I don't know what form is should take - ready-made > > > > > > > > > > > > > xslt scripts (yuck), > > > > > > > > > > > > > JasperReport scripts (or whatever - I'm not familiar > > > > > > > > > > > > > with Jasper), or > > > > > > > > > > > > > something else. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Keep in mind a .jtl file can be either an xml or csv > > > > > > > > > > > > > format. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > -Mike > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On Thu, 2005-08-04 at 11:50 -0400, Peter Lin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the idea of using jasper reports sounds nice, but > > > > > > > > > > > > > > not sure about > > > > > > > > > > > > > > license issues, since jasperReports uses LGPL > > > > > > > > > > > > > > license. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/05, Joseph Fifield <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > This is basically what I did with xslt to > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > generate the html reports when > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > I did the ant task. What about doing something > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > similar to generate > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > reports in other formats? This should be > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > relatively straightforward for > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > something like JasperReports as the report files > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > are just xml anyway. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Joe > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > Peter Lin wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > yeah, I was thinking the same thing. this way, > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > in an automation > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > process, it might run several test plans and > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > save the JTL files to a > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > specific directory. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > after the tests are done running, jmeter could > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > be called to process > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > the JTL files and output the reports. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > peter > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > On 8/4/05, sebb <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>It would be useful if the Reporters could read > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>existing test logs in > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>non-GUI mode too - assuming of course that the > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>relevant raw data has > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>been logged. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>S. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>On 04/08/05, Peter Lin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>wrote: > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >> > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>you're right, there probably needs to be a GUI > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>component for creating > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>the report settings. the primary difference > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>between the simple data > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >>>writer and report components is the 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