I wasn't very clear on what you meant by virtual users and virtual user state.  JMeter 
is the
way it is mostly out of a desire to provide non-programmers with a full-featured 
testing tool.
Scripting is desirable, but being gui-driven and not requiring programming experience 
is just
as important to me.  I'm not trying to recreate TestMaker.

-Mike

On 19 Feb 2003 at 10:09, Bruno Dillenseger wrote:

> Mike Stover a �crit:
>
> >What you're doing is similar to what the JMeterVariables object provides you - a
> >place to store values by thread.  By implementing the ThreadListener interface,
> >you are given access to the JMeterVariables.  Currently, it only allows the storage
> >of string variables, but there's no reason you could simply modify it to store 
>objects
> >as well.
> >
> Thanks for these guidelines.
>
> >Regarding samplers that can do more than one thing - I'd like to expand the
> >sampler interface to allow one sampler to return multiple SampleResults (via a
> >callback interface) and do mutliple things.  I'd then like to make a scripted 
>Sampler
> >that allowed one to write some J/Python code into JMeter's gui that would then be
> >run as the Sampler's sample() method.  Is this kind of what you mean by allowing a
> >single sampler to do more?
> >
> >
> Scripting is an important feature (e.g. J/Python code in Grinder or
> TestMaker). Jmeter's new Javascript extension brought by Thad Smith
> seems very interesting.
> What I mean is: I would feel it convenient to create a kind of "virtual
> user" class holding several sampling methods and a "virtual user state".
> From the GUI, instead of choosing a Java sampler class, I would simply
> choose a sampling method of my "virtual user". Or, to simplify, there
> could be a single sampling method like it is now, and I would give
> arguments in the GUI that allows my code to switch to the right sampling
> method; this is what I actually do today, using a static hashtable
> variable to store the states of my "virtual users".
>
> It seems that Jmeter has another approach/granularity using Samplers and
> JMeterVariables instead of "virtual users". Do you know the reason for
> such a design choice?
>
> About my deadlocks: is it allowed/safe to do synchronization
> (synchronized/wait/notify) of Jmeter's threads in samplers?
>
> Thanks for your support,
> -- Bruno.
>
> >On 17 Feb 2003 at 9:42, Bruno Dillenseger wrote:
> >
> >
> >>I don't know if what I do is the cleanest way (it might be actually a dirty way), 
>but it is straightforward:
> >>- the connect sampler fills a static hashtable object with its current thread as 
>key and your custom server reference object as value;
> >>- the disconnect sampler retrieves the reference from the hashtable, using its 
>current thread as key.
> >>
> >>I even do some synchronization on this thread object (wait()/notify()) and I get 
>deadlocks in a couple of threads from time to time, without knowing if it is caused 
>by a bug in my code, or if it results from a conflict between by code and internal 
>synchronization of Jmeter's thread management

> >>
> >>
> >> From my point of view, I don't feel it convenient to proceed this way. I would 
>feel it more convenient to have a single sampler object with its own state, 
>performing a variety of operations during the test plan.
> >>
> >>If a Jmeter developper reads this, probably s/he can comment on my workaround?
> >>
> >>
>
>
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